Feedback on Patrick G's Torquer cam.
06-26-2006, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
...and I was running through my less than ideal flowing catted y-pipe and single 3" exhaust. If I were to wait for a high barometer day with low humidity, and run a race exhaust, my dyno would be much closer to 480/430 rwhp/rwtq. But since everybody wanted to see a dyno sheet right away, I decided to post a realistic dyno sheet of my car in it's every-day setup. Remember, my car is my cross-country daily driver. For me, it's ideal.
06-26-2006, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Since it will probably remain a daily driver here, have you even contemplated which exhaust system you'll be going with yet? Mufflex 4"? Bassani true dual? Again, just wanted to congratulate you... those are some very impressive numbers for a daily driver, w/zero hassle!
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
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06-26-2006, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JZ'sTA
Wow you really narrow it down. If your a drag racer or a oval track racer, what else is there?
Last I checked almost every F body owner drag racers their cars.
Maybe you didn't notice my sig and the cam I run. Trust me I wasn't puting down any cam just throwing some light on the subject.
Last I checked almost every F body owner drag racers their cars.
Maybe you didn't notice my sig and the cam I run. Trust me I wasn't puting down any cam just throwing some light on the subject.
) You must know a helluva lot of F-body owners, I wish we could get a decent car show together 
Sorry, I just feel there are too many camels in the proverbial sandstorm. It wasn't intended to be personal 
06-26-2006, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
Obviously, you don't understand overlap and its affect on idle quality.
My 224/228 110LSA cam has 6 degrees of overlap at .050".
A 234/238 114LSA cam has 8 degrees of overlap at .050" and would idle worse.
2 degrees more overlap makes for poorer idle. In this case 110LSA cam idles smoother than a 114LSA cam. Make sense?
My 224/228 110LSA cam has 6 degrees of overlap at .050".
A 234/238 114LSA cam has 8 degrees of overlap at .050" and would idle worse.
2 degrees more overlap makes for poorer idle. In this case 110LSA cam idles smoother than a 114LSA cam. Make sense?
06-26-2006, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JimMueller
Off the top of my head, various forms of open road racing, road racing at tracks, One Lap of America, autocross, and drifting ( ) You must know a helluva lot of F-body owners, I wish we could get a decent car show together Sorry, I just feel there are too many camels in the proverbial sandstorm. It wasn't intended to be personal
) You must know a helluva lot of F-body owners, I wish we could get a decent car show together Sorry, I just feel there are too many camels in the proverbial sandstorm. It wasn't intended to be personal Yes and in every one of those style of races except drifting the rpm's stay high. Even in autocross when you come out of a turn at 20MHP your in 1st gear and need RPM's to advoid having another car pass you. Which means your always above 4000 and mostly always above 5000 RPM's.
By the way I run a shop that works on F bodys everyday its my job and the way I feed myself to know F body owners.
I can even give you address's, mods, and dyno sheets for each one.
06-27-2006, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cantdrv65
Patrick did you ever solve the valve float you were seeing above 6400 with this new cam? Thanks, Ive never heard you answer this question.... 
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
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06-27-2006, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ninobrn99
so are those your latest numbers? the ones in the sig?
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
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06-27-2006, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
When is the next one going in ? 
Next phase down the road will probably be forced induction with large chamber heads to reduce compression. At that point, I'll probably go back to something like the CheaTR cam.
For now, it's all torque from this beefy cam and a healthy shot of nitrous.
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
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06-27-2006, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by UCABlackChevy
Patrick or anybody with this cam,
Do you or anyone have a clip of the car with this cam so that we can hear the idle?
Do you or anyone have a clip of the car with this cam so that we can hear the idle?
06-27-2006, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
I don't believe that's valve float. I believe it was dyno related. I have many other dyno sheets from other dynos where the LSK lobes gave perfectly smooth dyno curves. Same heads, same springs. Only on MTI's dyno did I get that crazy choppy curve. Typically, valve float will drop your power off very fast. Not the case with my sheets.
06-27-2006, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cantdrv65
I saw the same thing on my dyno sheet about a week before at MTI....thats why I was curious. Jason dynoed my car and said it was valvetrain instability. It didnt occur in the same place from run to run and that also made me curious. It seems like valve float would generally occur at almost exactly the same rpms in back to back runs... Thoughts?
06-27-2006, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
I don't believe that's valve float. I believe it was dyno related. I have many other dyno sheets from other dynos where the LSK lobes gave perfectly smooth dyno curves. Same heads, same springs. Only on MTI's dyno did I get that crazy choppy curve. Typically, valve float will drop your power off very fast. Not the case with my sheets.
With the cam in my sig and big 2.05 valves from my dart 225 heads, i didnt hit any vlave float and we took it to 7k. I'm using comp 921's shimed to .050 coil bind.
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06-27-2006, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearhead1
Doesn't this occur when the tach lead from the dyno isn't making a good "connection"??
06-27-2006, 08:00 PM
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If it's valve float, it will hit it at the same rpm every time, plus the drop off will be pretty dramatic. Mine wasn't.
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
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06-27-2006, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cantdrv65
I think the tach wire is only there for torque calculation...
I'm not arguing, just trying to understand.