Stock Prog... w/cam???
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Staging Lane
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Stock Prog... w/cam??? What I really want to know is can you HONESTLY run a completely STOCK prog with a cam , and if you can which ones can you do it with???? I cant ever get a straight ans. from anyone . Any info would help
Which one would be the best help with my mods.
Lid , offroad y (stock manifolds , borla cat back , HPPIII , N.O.S. 05177 kit pilled at 125.
If the best way to do it is to buy heads and do a big cam please let my know
The car is an A4 w/no stall geared 3.73
Do I need a stall if i get a cam and dose that need prog. also ?(which conv. do yall like best for what i have)
If I do a conv. i want a small one ( I am not looking for times just an ***-haulin street car
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Thanks in advance
Chris
Which one would be the best help with my mods.
Lid , offroad y (stock manifolds , borla cat back , HPPIII , N.O.S. 05177 kit pilled at 125.
If the best way to do it is to buy heads and do a big cam please let my know
The car is an A4 w/no stall geared 3.73
Do I need a stall if i get a cam and dose that need prog. also ?(which conv. do yall like best for what i have)
If I do a conv. i want a small one ( I am not looking for times just an ***-haulin street car
<img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" /> <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" /> <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" /> <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" />
Thanks in advance
Chris
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? i thought you worked at a shop? I would definately get a stall before the cam. When you raise the idle to keep the engine from dieing with the cam in (more on that in a minute) you will want a converter that starts to move the car at 1500-1800rpm (or whatever) rather than one that only needs 1000rpm to get moving. Other wise with your higher idle, youd need to really step on the brakes to keep it at a light. This is an extreme case though. Anyway, most any small cam will work with a stock program. of course, a stock program isnt actually a stock program. when one says stock program we mean HPP3 adjusted shiftpoints/rev-limit and sometimes the HPP3 power tuning since a cam will run the car a bit rich at times. other than that you will need to drill the hole the TB a bit to raise the idle. ok, which cams? the MMS 218 or 220 will work. The MTI B1-221/221 .558/.558 114, any comp grind below 222' int. duration will work. oh and try ot stay with a 114' lsa. It all depends on your defnition of driveability and quality. with less comfort comes more power (usually) and vice versa. id go with a MMS 218 for a problem free A4 car. but if you wanted a bit more go a head and throw in the B1 or a comp cam 220/560/114<--very good cam. comp also makes a good 212 grind and 218/224 and 216/218, etc, etc, and on and on. you can email me if you like. oh check out www.xs-fx.com/raughammer for some good cam info.
Ryan
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? The answer, of course, depends completely upon the cam. Personally, I'd recommend the "Trooper Cam" for your A4-equipped car. I had it built for speced for good, "trouble-free" power in an automatic-equipped car. <img src="images/icons/cool.gif" border="0">
P.S.- That "Hot Cam" is, I'm certain, not without issues. If you don't absolutely need MAX power, there are "friendlier" alternatives.
[ November 24, 2001: Message edited by: XTrooper ]</p>
P.S.- That "Hot Cam" is, I'm certain, not without issues. If you don't absolutely need MAX power, there are "friendlier" alternatives.
[ November 24, 2001: Message edited by: XTrooper ]</p>
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? Ryan thanks dude - i got your e-mail..... I really wish i could get more comments on this subject..... thanks <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0">
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? You can run a very small cam without programming. But further on down the line you may have wanted a bigger cam and the power gains that go with it. IMO get a slightly bigger cam and spend money on the Ed Wright tuning. If you already have a HPP3, sell that for $200 and put that towards the Ed Wright tuning. That brings the price down to $300 out of pocket for Ed Wright tuning....
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? How do Get a hold of ED Wright ??? Should I just save up and buy stage II heads and get a custom cam ground ??? If thats the best way let me know , Thanks guys------ <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" /> I want my car to do this all the way to third....
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? You will get better performance results from a converter than a "street friendly" cam. I have the LS6 cam w/stock programming and I run into problems occasionally with surging and the car dying out in reverse or cornering at slow speeds. <img src="images/icons/frown.gif" border="0"> I've drilled the TB hole out a few times but the problem still exists so that should give you some idea of what you're up against. I asked about the Hotcam in an A4 w/stock programming about a week ago and only found 1 person with that setup but he had many of the same problems of me if not more. Just giving you a few things to think about.
Dan
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? I still have a stock PCM tuning setup on my car. I ran the T1 cam with no problems for over a year (221/221 .558/.558 112) also. Now, I have a "T2" (232/232 .574/.574 112) cam and still run on the stock computer tuning. The only thing changed in my PCM is a 7K rev-limiter and thats it.
could I pick up some power with a custom PCM tuning? Most likely! But, it runs "okay" for now <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
Tony
could I pick up some power with a custom PCM tuning? Most likely! But, it runs "okay" for now <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
Tony
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? [quote]Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>I still have a stock PCM tuning setup on my car. I ran the T1 cam with no problems for over a year (221/221 .558/.558 112) also. Now, I have a "T2" (232/232 .574/.574 112) cam and still run on the stock computer tuning. The only thing changed in my PCM is a 7K rev-limiter and thats it.
could I pick up some power with a custom PCM tuning? Most likely! But, it runs "okay" for now <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
Tony</strong><hr></blockquote>
MTI shoulda put that cam on the GP i only got the Hammer and damn it aint gonna be bigg enough with stage 2 heads <img src="images/icons/frown.gif" border="0"> oh well
<strong>I still have a stock PCM tuning setup on my car. I ran the T1 cam with no problems for over a year (221/221 .558/.558 112) also. Now, I have a "T2" (232/232 .574/.574 112) cam and still run on the stock computer tuning. The only thing changed in my PCM is a 7K rev-limiter and thats it.
could I pick up some power with a custom PCM tuning? Most likely! But, it runs "okay" for now <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
Tony</strong><hr></blockquote>
MTI shoulda put that cam on the GP i only got the Hammer and damn it aint gonna be bigg enough with stage 2 heads <img src="images/icons/frown.gif" border="0"> oh well
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? AAron is your car a stroker or "all bore"?
If so...then you could stand more cam than the Hammer. but if your a 346'er... the Hammer will be fine.
Plus... Tony was able to run that big cam with out programming becuase his car is an M6. That "big ol' honker" would not be as PCM freindly in an A4.
So how did your "hammer-cammed", MTI Stage 2 headed motor do on the dyno/track?
Raughammer
http://xs-fx.com/raughammer/
If so...then you could stand more cam than the Hammer. but if your a 346'er... the Hammer will be fine.
Plus... Tony was able to run that big cam with out programming becuase his car is an M6. That "big ol' honker" would not be as PCM freindly in an A4.
So how did your "hammer-cammed", MTI Stage 2 headed motor do on the dyno/track?
Raughammer
http://xs-fx.com/raughammer/
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? What kind of converters do yall recommend for my set up ? Remember i rarely go to the track ( street racer) <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" />
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? [quote]Originally posted by Raughammer:
<strong>AAron is your car a stroker or "all bore"?
If so...then you could stand more cam than the Hammer. but if your a 346'er... the Hammer will be fine.
Plus... Tony was able to run that big cam with out programming becuase his car is an M6. That "big ol' honker" would not be as PCM freindly in an A4.
So how did your "hammer-cammed", MTI Stage 2 headed motor do on the dyno/track?
Raughammer
http://xs-fx.com/raughammer/</strong><hr></blockquote>
most of the stuff i have done is for what i will be doing as opossed to whats done (cheaper that way). i do hav an m6 and the heads a GTP. i was going to stroke it but that fell threw <img src="images/icons/frown.gif" border="0"> and i was waiting on something as well
as to dyno # she aint done yet but the hammer gave me at least 30 RWHP but i also added my 9" so i dont know the exact #s but i would guess closer to 40 HP
<strong>AAron is your car a stroker or "all bore"?
If so...then you could stand more cam than the Hammer. but if your a 346'er... the Hammer will be fine.
Plus... Tony was able to run that big cam with out programming becuase his car is an M6. That "big ol' honker" would not be as PCM freindly in an A4.
So how did your "hammer-cammed", MTI Stage 2 headed motor do on the dyno/track?
Raughammer
http://xs-fx.com/raughammer/</strong><hr></blockquote>
most of the stuff i have done is for what i will be doing as opossed to whats done (cheaper that way). i do hav an m6 and the heads a GTP. i was going to stroke it but that fell threw <img src="images/icons/frown.gif" border="0"> and i was waiting on something as well
as to dyno # she aint done yet but the hammer gave me at least 30 RWHP but i also added my 9" so i dont know the exact #s but i would guess closer to 40 HP
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? [quote]Originally posted by BottlefedZ:
<strong>What kind of converters do yall recommend for my set up ? Remember i rarely go to the track ( street racer) <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I recommend the Vigilante 2800. Perfect street manners and will give you that extra punch you're looking for. You'll need a good tire to hook with this converter otherwise your off the line performance will drop as you sit there roasting your tires in a blazing fury while that Mustang is taking off. <img src="images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
The first day I had this converter I was like this. <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" />
<strong>What kind of converters do yall recommend for my set up ? Remember i rarely go to the track ( street racer) <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I recommend the Vigilante 2800. Perfect street manners and will give you that extra punch you're looking for. You'll need a good tire to hook with this converter otherwise your off the line performance will drop as you sit there roasting your tires in a blazing fury while that Mustang is taking off. <img src="images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
The first day I had this converter I was like this. <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" />
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? [quote]Originally posted by BottlefedZ:
<strong>What kind of converters do yall recommend for my set up ? Remember i rarely go to the track ( street racer) <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
What kind of tires will you be using?
Campbell
<strong>What kind of converters do yall recommend for my set up ? Remember i rarely go to the track ( street racer) <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
What kind of tires will you be using?
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? [quote]Originally posted by BottlefedZ:
<strong>What kind of converters do yall recommend for my set up ? Remember i rarely go to the track ( street racer) <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Regular street tires? SY3500
Drag Radials? ST3500 or SY3500. ST for better launch, SY for better top end.
If you have 2.73 gears, or can’t stand “loosness”, you might want to look at the TT series converters.
All these are Yank converters, BTW.
<strong>What kind of converters do yall recommend for my set up ? Remember i rarely go to the track ( street racer) <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Regular street tires? SY3500
Drag Radials? ST3500 or SY3500. ST for better launch, SY for better top end.
If you have 2.73 gears, or can’t stand “loosness”, you might want to look at the TT series converters.
All these are Yank converters, BTW.
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Re: Stock Prog...w/cam????? [quote]Originally posted by James1:
<strong>Chris, I thought you didn't want to get a cam?
Anyways, I am done with the install; are you still up for the dyno run?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Shhhh ... its supposed to be a secret . Yea Ill still take you up on that offer . Hope you brought yo money , honey . Cuz you loose , you pay . <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" />
<strong>Chris, I thought you didn't want to get a cam?
Anyways, I am done with the install; are you still up for the dyno run?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Shhhh ... its supposed to be a secret . Yea Ill still take you up on that offer . Hope you brought yo money , honey . Cuz you loose , you pay . <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" />
