Doski

I am getting the futral f13 cam but i dont know what LSA. What is pos/neg 112 and 114 LSA? Is either gonna do anything on smogtest?

mvvette97

iTrader: (18)

the 112 will have more lope BUT, it will not pass the smog, You will need the 114 to pass. It will have a more mild idle.

Doski

Ok so what is the downside with 114 LSA other than the lope and smog?

mvvette97

iTrader: (18)

With the 114 the power will come on higher in the rpms. The 112 will have the power start down lower.

NviouSS

iTrader: (8)

the 112 would be a little choppier at idle too

redtail2426

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i am pretty sure neither would pass a smog test,its not that small of a cam either way you do it..a 224 is about the biggest you can get to pass.

darrensls1

What he said.

I have heard that a 224/224 114 is the biggest that can pass. I have heard of slightly bigger passing but it's very difficult to tune.

But the FM13 is a 232/232 I believe and that has no chance of passing a smog test other then a simple OBDII plug-in and look for codes test. If they do a sniffer test then you'll need cats and a smaller cam to pass.

GuitsBoy

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f-13 is a 230/232, but I agree, no way its gonna pass a sniffer. Get the 112 for the reasons stated above.

AFTICA

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You may want to consider another company other than Futral for your cam. Check the sponsor feedback section of this board. You will see that they've had many problems with their cams and even worse problems with customer service. Since your out of the US, calling them 30 or 40 times to get a simple answer to a customer service problem or bad cam problem will start to add up. Not to mention your aggravation

Amongst other problems they were shipping cams with obvious bad lobes (see attached picture of my first cam as it came to me from Futral) and even worse, shipping cams that looked fine upon close inspection but then came apart inside the motor doing even more damage.

I've dealt with many sponsors of this board and Futral was by far the WORST!!

LSUxBlake

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You're lame. "Many people" have not had problems with Futral. It was a few concerning a bad batch of cams from their supplier. Many people have had a lot of success with Futral's products and still continue to today. If you want to continue to jump in every thread with Futral in the title, go ahead, just letting you know that I think you're a jackass.

Sigforty

I am with Blake on this one. I think the last bad Futral cam thread had to do with 5 cams that were sent out. Now John at Futral runs all the cams on a Cam Doctor to make sure everything is alright before they get shipped.

AFTICA

iTrader: (8)

The only time I will jump on a Futral thread is when I think I may be able to help someone or when Allan Futral starts whining about how people on the interenet are picking on him. I spoke up here only because this guys out of the country and it could get expensive trying to call Futral as many times as people have to in order to get a hold of them.

I'm not sure if your the same Blake that used to work for Allan but if so you were part of the customer service problem and it would also explain why you jump on anybody who speaks up about they're bad experiences with Futral. As for the name calling, take to PM so I can click delete and the rest of the people here don't have to listen to it.

Many people HAVE had success with Futral cams, that's why I decided to go with one. However just as I was ordering mine the posts started showing up in the sponsor feedback section about his lack of customer service and bad cams. I didn't pay much attention thinking the people complaining were "lame" or "jackasses." Turns out they had legit complaints and then so did I. Futral will tell you they have figured out the problems only to have another batch go bad on them. They lied to me so I can't trust them or the cam in my car right now.

All I'm saying is check the sponsor feedback section. If your still comfortable, order the cam.

GuitsBoy

iTrader: (4)

Sorry guys, but I feel it was enough people to justify using the word "many", myself being one of them. I cant tell you how many people ran into that issue. It certainly wasnt 5 people. Ive probably seen posts by 10 times that number. Not to mention how many people arent on this board, or simply didnt post, or maybe even havnt put on enough mileage to start taking out lifters or bearings or other problems.

In the end, futral did right by me and replaced the cam, but not until i had gone through pulling the heads twice to replace 2 sets of lifters and replaced the cam with a comp grind. Futral did their best to make replace all the cams affected by this, but the bad publicity impacted them HARD. This was no small isolated incident, it was a big deal. Havnt you guys wondered why nobody pimps futral out like they did two years ago?

Doski

thanx everyone for the info......

We have emissions here in sweden so i cant have the f13.
I have looked around and its gonne be one of these cams?

comp cams "224/"224 114 LSA or G5x1 "228/230" 115 LSA

Wich one would you think will be best?.....both are supposed to get thrue smogtest.

LSUxBlake

iTrader: (3)

Nope, not the Blake that worked at FMS.

And I don't jump on everyone who talks about a bad experience with FMS, I jump on people who do it in a thread asking the difference between a 112 and 114 LSA. If he would have asked what you thought about FMS, about their quality, customer service, etc, your comments and opinions would have been appropriate. If you just want to whine, do so in the Futral sponsor thread.

LSUxBlake

iTrader: (3)

I am not too sure the G5x1 will pass every time. I'd check on that before going with it. That being said, I'd pick something like the TR224 anyway, since it's known to pass and it's one of the most widely used cams around here. I dont think you'd be dissapointed.

Doski

They have passed emissions test with the G5x1 115LSA in sweden.

Hemi Killer

iTrader: (6)

Call futral and ask them.

AFTICA

iTrader: (8)

He was asking about 112 vs 114 on a futral cam which is why i responded. I'll be sure to check with you in the future to see if my posts are appropriate though.

The 224 on a 114 would be my vote also unless your emissions standards are less stringent than ours here in the US.

Doski

may i ask why the 224?