nysbadmk8

i want 11.5's all day in street trim... full weight thats why i got this setup.. its mainly to race on the street... and when time comes that i run into a bigger monster then mine i got 100 horsies in a bottle ready to go..

VINCE

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What is your weight..? 11.5's require more power NA or weight reduction and gears.. My friend ran 11.5 with 3500lbs running 360rwhp, stall, and 4.11's..

nysbadmk8

stock weight, 3.73's, 3500vig should be enough... but i will find out soon.. once i get it to the track

RAGEman

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Vince, I don't want to speculate. As fun as it is. That is why I put the word "necessarily" in my statements. There are still many things we don't know about his setup or the other VITAL parts of the dyno graph/pull. I never flamed Cartek in the least. There are too many unknown variables, and there are other parts of the graph that are just as important.

Assuming 3700 racweight, 11.5's are attainable with 390 RWHP. Especially with an A4 and a big ole stall in good weather. Good luck, partner!

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by nysbadmk8:
<strong>3.73's</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">AHA! Yet another culprit!

VINCE

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Your setup should get you what you want. Just depends on race weight..

RAGEman

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I like to give all the details I can, so we've got.....

1) Peak HP numbers are far from all-important
2) A4 tranny (locked converter)
3) Assuming stock MAF
4) Professional tuning via LS1-Edit
5) Stock, unported TB
6) No underdrive pullies
7) 224/224 .570/.570 112 cam
8) Stage II LS1 heads
9) full exhaust
10) "LS6 intake"
EDIT: 11) 3.23 (stock) gears

Anything I missed?

Vince, he is running the "HS" cam, which is slightly more aggresive than the "H" cam.

<small>[ June 07, 2002, 04:38 PM: Message edited by: RAGEman ]</small>

VINCE

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Thats a nice cam.. I personally think you are where you want to be with the supporting drivetrain. I do not go to the track much, but I do use dyno #'s a lot. JS is the highest A4 that Cartek has produced, but I think he has more things than you. Plus, his car was more of Carteks project.

XLR8VRL

i read some info that underdrive pulleys on the LS1 can cause a harmonic that affects the knock sensor and cause the comp to retard the ignition

RAGEman

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Vince, why in God's name do you never go to the track? Do you street race?

XLR8VRL, I have witnessed that very thing happen on Bad Habit Bird's car.

verbs

That sounds about right to me boys. Figure the 3.73's rob about 10rwhp at least on the dyno. Figure no TB or MAF is a loss of 7-10rwhp, and no pullies either is a loss of 10rwhp.

With stock gearing and if he added those bolt-ons he'd be at 415rwhp or so with an A4. Sounds like a good number to me.

Is he running cats or an o/r pipe??? He could be losing some hp running cats.

<small>[ June 06, 2002, 08:34 PM: Message edited by: verbs ]</small>

VINCE

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I have been to the track, but I feel that it is pointless secondary to me never putting anything stickier than DR's on my car. My best run at 3750lbs/3.42's/2.0 60ft/12.28@116mph... I know my car can run mid 11's, but I like all my interior.. I do street race on occasion. I am going to stop soon. In Florida as of Oct.. If you get caught you can go to jail.

nysbadmk8

o/r pipes.. and the gears that where in for the dyno where 3.23's

JS

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That's a very good number for a AUTO/3.73.I'd be really happy with those numbers.A pulley and a ported MAF are worth another 3 to 5 RWHP.

Sounds pretty good,Lets hear the Et once u get it all finished.

JS

<small>[ June 06, 2002, 08:56 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

The Alchemist

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For what it's worth, this might be merely academic, but, I witnessed a gear swap from 3.42s to 4.10s only "robbing" 2-3rwhp in a m6. The car was dyno tuned in the a.m., had the gears done, and then redyno'd and the car only lost 2-3. The temperature and weather was the same considering early morning and early evening dyno times and the SAE corrections.

Just my 0.02, that's all.

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by verbs:
<strong>That sounds about right to me boys. Figure the 3.73's rob about 10rwhp at least on the dyno. Figure no TB or MAF is a loss of 7-10rwhp, and no pullies either is a loss of 10rwhp.

With stock gearing and if he added those bolt-ons he'd be at 415rwhp or so with an A4. Sounds like a good number to me.

Is he running cats or an o/r pipe??? He could be losing some hp running cats.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, dang. He said he dynoed w/ 3.23's. That makes your figure more like 405, right? I never said that there was for sure something wrong with his setup. I just said I hoped that was with the converter unlocked so that we would know there was more HP in the car. Let me say AGAIN that peak HP numbers are not all there is in life!!!

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>I have been to the track, but I feel that it is pointless secondary to me never putting anything stickier than DR's on my car. My best run at 3750lbs/3.42's/2.0 60ft/12.28@116mph... I know my car can run mid 11's, but I like all my interior.. I do street race on occasion. I am going to stop soon. In Florida as of Oct.. If you get caught you can go to jail.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I guess what I was wondering was what your goals are with your car.....i.e. why do you modify it or care how much power it makes? What is your car's main lot in life? Drag, road racing, street racing, all of the above, none of the above, etc.

Terry Burger

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<small>[ June 06, 2002, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: Pro Stock John ]</small>

verbs

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RAGEman:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by verbs:
<strong>That sounds about right to me boys. Figure the 3.73's rob about 10rwhp at least on the dyno. Figure no TB or MAF is a loss of 7-10rwhp, and no pullies either is a loss of 10rwhp.

With stock gearing and if he added those bolt-ons he'd be at 415rwhp or so with an A4. Sounds like a good number to me.

Is he running cats or an o/r pipe??? He could be losing some hp running cats.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, dang. He said he dynoed w/ 3.23's. That makes your figure more like 405, right? I never said that there was for sure something wrong with his setup. I just said I hoped that was with the converter unlocked so that we would know there was more HP in the car. Let me say AGAIN that peak HP numbers are not all there is in life!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There goes my theory!!!! I dunno man, there could be other factors we just don't know about.

VINCE

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Rage my car is setup for road racing really. The quicker my car is the better. Those are my goals.. Dyno's are tuning tools..