gator's 99TA

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correction, it has a stock LS1 intake - for now.....just wanted to see the improvement over the hotcam alone. Then we will dyno agian with pulleys so we can "match up" with other cars around here! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

This is ground breaking stuff here folks! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> i cant wait Mark - THANK YOU!

<small>[ June 13, 2002, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: gator's 99TA ]</small>

RAGEman

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Mark, please tell me this is a 230/230.

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gator's 99TA

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Alan, you NEED this cam in your car!!! damn, 11.5x on bolt ons!!!! good god, i want to get there someday with cam! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

<img border="0" alt="[Firebird]" title="" src="graemlins/formula.gif" /> <------Ragin cam!!!!

BadMonkey

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*cough cough* Maybe I should have got that cam instead of the 224. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> Oh well lets go John get it to the Dyno I want to see what she does now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Terry Burger

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Let us know how that 230 cam turns out. I don't think anyone has tried one yet with stock heads (cough 420rwhp stock heads MMS 229v2.1)

6-SpeedZ

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There he is again ^ old diarehha mouth....

Raging Motorsports

Gee how did you guess it was a 230/230 cam? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

This thing drives absolutely great on the street and sure has plenty of low end grunt..hit the upper R's though and it gets it on. I think the idle is very livable considering the lobe separation.

<small>[ June 13, 2002, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: Raging Motorsports ]</small>

gator's 99TA

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>Let us know how that 230 cam turns out. I don't think anyone has tried one yet with stock heads (cough 420rwhp stock heads MMS 229v2.1)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">terry not everyone can benefit from the MMS dyno (cough: over-rated!) also i am not the standard MMS type car (you know, i dont have a 2.73 stock 10 bolt rearend, weak valves floatin to "create more duration on top rpm" carbon fiber driveshaft, aluminum flywheel ricer mods)

i just want to do an HONEST evaluation on what a CAM-ONLY change will do for this type of car.

i think my car represents more of the f-bodies here than your car does. not everyone has EVERY damn bolt on to make the dyno look huge. in fact i still have full exhaust (sorry no open header dyno spikes you so love) on the STOCK INTERMEDIATE PIPE!

remember the thing to look for here is the CHANGE in power since i was already pulling 365 RWHP through my cammed mosered car. if someone wants to donate an intake, pullies, and ported TB for that extra dyno 15 RWHP come by! i will be glad bro <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

so those that want to see how a MAN's cam will do under not so ideal situations (reality) Raging Motorsports will show you!

Gator - who has MORE college degrees than TB! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Gator - who has MORE college degrees than TB!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm certainly not done with my education yet, but I'm qualified enough to say you have more excuses than anyone I've ever seen. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
terry not everyone can benefit from the MMS dyno (cough: over-rated!) also i am not the standard MMS type car (you know, i dont have a 2.73 stock 10 bolt rearend, weak valves floatin to "create more duration on top rpm" carbon fiber driveshaft, aluminum flywheel ricer mods)
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The car I'm talking about had 3.73 gears, M6, long tubes, borla exhaust (plate with largest hole), stock clutch+flywheel, 17" SS rims, and no valve control problems. (BTW it's funny in a retarded kind of way that you think valve float would make more power).

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
remember the thing to look for here is the CHANGE in power since i was already pulling 365 RWHP through my cammed mosered car.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The MMS car I'm talking about was in the 350rwhp range pre-cam, and 420rwhp post-cam. The cam was the only change.

<small>[ June 13, 2002, 03:56 PM: Message edited by: Terry Burger ]</small>

gator's 99TA

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blah, blah, blah....all praise to TB - the guy who finally has a college degree - now he must be smart - only two more degrees (master's and J.D) and you catch up with the 'retard' gator. <img border="0" alt="[chug]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_chug.gif" />

in any event TB do you honestly believe that 420 RWHP would be a "reasonable" pull on the dyno with cam only? i guess you got ripped off with your magic stage two MMS heads and monstor cam. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> are you saying MMS heads are only worth 15 RWHP in your combo?

i dont make excuses, i just dont like it when some people here tend to "hide" their mods (not assuming you hide anything). some forge to mention they have shortbelts, nearly all the accessories are gone, electric water pump, etc. But then average joe expects their mild setups (without the "full bolt-ons") to pull mega horsepower. now as a highly educated man (B.S degree i assume) you know that is not reasonable. i am sure you know this TB.

<small>[ June 13, 2002, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: gator's 99TA ]</small>

RAGEman

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Hey, Mark, how about a free RAGING cam for RAGEman for some track testing in the grand ole state of Texas where all the big competition is at? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

<small>[ June 13, 2002, 04:42 PM: Message edited by: RAGEman ]</small>

gator's 99TA

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Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
blah, blah, blah....all praise to TB - the guy who finally has a college degree - now he must be smart - only two more degrees (master's and J.D) and you catch up with the 'retard' gator.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What are your degrees in? I didn't refer to you as retarded, only your point. If you continue to refer to yourself in the third person I might choose to reevaluate that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
in any event TB do you honestly believe that 420 RWHP would be a "reasonable" pull on the dyno with cam only?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not all MMS "cam only" cars pull 420rwhp, in fact most with similar parts and the same cam are in the 390-410 range. Your car with your new cam will represent one data point. How can you justify arguing that I'm not providing multiple data points when you set the tone of this argument to start with by posting only one?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
i guess you got ripped off with your magic stage two MMS heads and monstor cam. are you saying MMS heads are only worth 15 RWHP in your combo?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">From a peak power perspective I think they are worth ~35-40rwhp. From a power under the curve perspective I'd bet .5ths.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
i dont make excuses, i just dont like it when some people here tend to "hide" their mods (not assuming you hide anything). some forge to mention they have shortbelts, nearly all the accessories are gone, electric water pump, etc. But then average joe expects their mild setups (without the "full bolt-ons") to pull mega horsepower. now as a highly educated man (B.S degree i assume) you know that is not reasonable. i am sure you know this TB.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's no more reasonable to assume that a car has more work done that presented. You assumed the car had several modifications that were not present (light weight flywheel, ds, open headers, short belt, ewp, etc).

gator's 99TA

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oh my degrees are B.S - finance, M.B.A. and now J.D (law degree). and take a guess where i went to school....GOOOO GATORS!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

but anywhoosss.....back to the cam. i am so glad Ragingmotorsports had the gonads to try this out! the amazing part is the idle! streetablility is also am major concern to most of us out there. most of us dont live from 5800-7000 rpms like the hardcore guys. i just want the best of both worlds! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

sekrit cams on proprietary grinds rule! <img border="0" alt="[pimp]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_pimp.gif" />

Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
oh my degrees are B.S - finance, M.B.A. and now J.D (law degree). and take a guess where i went to school....GOOOO GATORS!!!!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Did you pass the bar? I'm going to start applying to law schools next year. I have a B.S. in computer science with 5 years engineering experience. I'm hoping to get in to tech-law.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
back to the cam. i am so glad Ragingmotorsports had the gonads to try this out! the amazing part is the idle! streetablility is also am major concern to most of us out there. most of us dont live from 5800-7000 rpms like the hardcore guys. i just want the best of both worlds!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll tell you right now that profile (the MMS version) is not so hot from 2000-3500rpm, so-so to 4000rpm, and really strong up to 7000rpm. It's a great cam for guys that like to race on street tires, but it is top end biased. As an educated person you won't mind me pointing out that MMS "had the gonads" to try this out first, several months ago. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Tim98TA

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Bugger:
<strong>I'm certainly not done with my education yet, </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah Terry still has to pass his Finger Painting 101 class he has been failing for the past 3 years. Damn those Kindergarden class are tough on you huh Terry? Shame isn't it.

Tim

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by gator's 99TA:
<strong>Alan, you NEED this cam in your car!!! damn, 11.5x on bolt ons!!!! good god, i want to get there someday with cam! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

<img border="0" alt="[Firebird]" title="" src="graemlins/formula.gif" /> <------Ragin cam!!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think my car needs one too, but Mark won't give me one. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

Oh, well. Dude, if you want to run good times, there's always WEIGHT REDUCTION. Every 100 lbs. you shed is generally equivalent to a .1-second ET reduction and a 1-MPH increase in trap speed. Also, get that 60' down, and run in some great (preferably Texas) air. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

VINCE

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Finally someone tried this cam.. It idles ok I see..

Raging Motorsports

Holds a very steady idle..with a good lope.

Gator did have bigger hole drilled in the TB. We added a little LS1edit tuning to it also to steady things out a little more too. I think it will still idle with stock tuning..added tuning is recommended though.

I do have one of these cams on hand...just can't go giving it away though. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ June 13, 2002, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: Raging Motorsports ]</small>

gator's 99TA

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funny TB, one of the first things i noticed with this cam is the great STREETability. it idles great AND the midrange is VERY nice and fat. you are pretty much wrong with your statement. maybe the MMS version of it was a dead horse in the midrange but this version is really smooth in the 2500-4000 rpm range (where most of our driving is done).

now that i had a chance to drive it home, i REALLY enjoy the top end. the rev limitor is set at 6800 and it pulls to the limitor! from 5000-is amazing (so you are right in that respect TB).

as for your lame attempt at a "look at me terry buger" well, if you are trying to cut me down because you dont have the education i do, sorry.

i am finishing up law school - one more semester then i take the bar in Feb - i will practice securities compliance. but again, do not attempt to steal the spotlight from people making moves with this cam. i know i have heard it before that MMS created this cam but why has the 229 worked so well, yet the 230 fell on its face? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

again, can i say i LOVE the streetability and top end power of this setup?