That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :(
06-18-2002, 11:48 PM
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( What were you guys using to install the pulley? Did you get it on so far and then use the old bolt to "pull" the pulley on? Very tough on the end threads if so...
Also, what was the verdict on the cam? Was it not dot to dot??
Also, what was the verdict on the cam? Was it not dot to dot??
06-19-2002, 12:05 AM
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( 98BlackSS:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ryoga:
<strong>Well, we ripped it open and it was at least 30 degrees off...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's the verdict.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ryoga:
<strong>Well, we ripped it open and it was at least 30 degrees off...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's the verdict.
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( I think, since you need a longer bolt anyway, I would get a long piece of threaded rod and some nuts/washers to reinstall the pulley with. That way you don't end up stripping threads deeper in the crank. Then when the pulley is on, use your original bolt.... Just a thought.
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>$50 says you broke a ground behind the cyl head.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Terry:
Do you need my address to which the $50 should go? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> I've been out of work since 26Oct01 and I could use it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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<strong>$50 says you broke a ground behind the cyl head.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Terry:
Do you need my address to which the $50 should go? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> I've been out of work since 26Oct01 and I could use it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( So would there be chance of valve damage as a result? I'm guessing a compression check is in order.
06-19-2002, 12:33 AM
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( Hard to say if you bent valves...
What is the crank bolt, M10? I cannot remember GEORGE. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
What is the crank bolt, M10? I cannot remember GEORGE. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
06-19-2002, 12:55 AM
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( m10?!?!?! no way. If I recall correctly its an M16. Hard to find large metrics at bolt shops, but you can always cut some threaded M16 threaded rod and use it as a stud onto which you could attache a bolt with several washers. I have a few longer-than-the-stock-crank-bolt M16 bolts that I picked up from Tacoma Screw (the local fastener place) THat I use to put the crank pulley on. If these folks dont have a special bolt, they probably just bunged up the first few threads a bit. This can be recovered from without bailing the crank... But not likely more than once.
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( I'm absolutely personally positive that the timing is correct this time. We pulled it back apart and set the dots, checked how the valvetrain reacted, and checked the dots again with all 3 of us looking at it.
The pushrods I verified to be be the 7.4" (stock height). I had the rods side by side mid install out of curiosity.
Nothing else was done to the car except the cam, and the car was absolutely trouble free prior to install. Also, the cam was taken out of a buddy's 00' WS6 just weeks prior when we put the new TR cam in his and it was fine as well.
If I give it 1/2 gas it just turns over and doesn't really act like its going to start (not even a sputter). It's just when I give it full throttle it will backfire lightly and infrequently (3-5 seconds apart)
The pushrods I verified to be be the 7.4" (stock height). I had the rods side by side mid install out of curiosity.
Nothing else was done to the car except the cam, and the car was absolutely trouble free prior to install. Also, the cam was taken out of a buddy's 00' WS6 just weeks prior when we put the new TR cam in his and it was fine as well.
If I give it 1/2 gas it just turns over and doesn't really act like its going to start (not even a sputter). It's just when I give it full throttle it will backfire lightly and infrequently (3-5 seconds apart)
06-19-2002, 04:30 AM
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( I would definitely do the compression check, and throw new plugs in just to eliminate that possibility.
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( How many ground wires do you have on the back of your heads? Are the connectors tight?
Are you SURE there are no broken wire/leads back there?
Are you SURE there are no broken wire/leads back there?
06-19-2002, 05:16 AM
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Raughammer:
<strong>How many ground wires do you have on the back of your heads? Are the connectors tight?
Are you SURE there are no broken wire/leads back there?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This was a cam only install. What would he be doing monkeying around at the ground wires back there?
Do the compression test. It'll eliminate a potential problem. Then you can go from there.
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<strong>How many ground wires do you have on the back of your heads? Are the connectors tight?
Are you SURE there are no broken wire/leads back there?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This was a cam only install. What would he be doing monkeying around at the ground wires back there?
Do the compression test. It'll eliminate a potential problem. Then you can go from there.
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( well we did take out the AIR tubes and pump, so the possibility of a ground coming unplugged might be there. But I'm sure he's checked over every plug and switch on that thing.
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by black00WS6:
<strong>well we did take out the AIR tubes and pump, so the possibility of a ground coming unplugged might be there. But I'm sure he's checked over every plug and switch on that thing.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, I'm becoming much more familiar with their locations than I had initially planned to be, lol.
<strong>well we did take out the AIR tubes and pump, so the possibility of a ground coming unplugged might be there. But I'm sure he's checked over every plug and switch on that thing.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, I'm becoming much more familiar with their locations than I had initially planned to be, lol.
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( With everything else eliminated, (fuel, spark, valvetrain timing) the only thing I can think of is either extremely weak spark (unlikely) or the spark occurring at the wrong time.
If the stock wiring hasn't been moved, I'm assuming the coil pack harnesses are plugged into the proper coil banks?
Then eliminating all that, maybe go back to the cam sensor again?
Good luck.
If the stock wiring hasn't been moved, I'm assuming the coil pack harnesses are plugged into the proper coil banks?
Then eliminating all that, maybe go back to the cam sensor again?
Good luck.
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( In the unlikely event the MAF is FUBAR'd, you can unplug it and the pcm will default to speed density mode. Worth a try.
Sounds like you need to hook up a scanner. Helms manual recommends cranking for 15 seconds and then check for DTC's (probably note if any are set first, clear them, then crank for 15 seconds).
Sounds like you need to hook up a scanner. Helms manual recommends cranking for 15 seconds and then check for DTC's (probably note if any are set first, clear them, then crank for 15 seconds).
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by gwj:
<strong>In the unlikely event the MAF is FUBAR'd, you can unplug it and the pcm will default to speed density mode. Worth a try.
Sounds like you need to hook up a scanner. Helms manual recommends cranking for 15 seconds and then check for DTC's (probably note if any are set first, clear them, then crank for 15 seconds).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've got my ATAP coming back this afternoon, so I'm going to try and see if it gives m eany info. I did try to unplug the maf, but it ended up the same-no difference.
<strong>In the unlikely event the MAF is FUBAR'd, you can unplug it and the pcm will default to speed density mode. Worth a try.
Sounds like you need to hook up a scanner. Helms manual recommends cranking for 15 seconds and then check for DTC's (probably note if any are set first, clear them, then crank for 15 seconds).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've got my ATAP coming back this afternoon, so I'm going to try and see if it gives m eany info. I did try to unplug the maf, but it ended up the same-no difference.
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( I said this before LOL
CHANGE YOUR PLUGS!
IF you are getting FUEL and SPARK through the wires it HAS TO BE THE PLUGS
There is nothing magical happening in the combustion chamber if the wires spark, injectors fire and the cam is installed correctly LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
If it isnt starting with spark and fuel the plugs are fouled. I hope you didnt wash the rings.
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CHANGE YOUR PLUGS!
IF you are getting FUEL and SPARK through the wires it HAS TO BE THE PLUGS
There is nothing magical happening in the combustion chamber if the wires spark, injectors fire and the cam is installed correctly LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
If it isnt starting with spark and fuel the plugs are fouled. I hope you didnt wash the rings.
Chris
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Re: That's it, I give up-I need some serious Professional Help :( </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong>I said this before LOL
CHANGE YOUR PLUGS!
IF you are getting FUEL and SPARK through the wires it HAS TO BE THE PLUGS
There is nothing magical happening in the combustion chamber if the wires spark, injectors fire and the cam is installed correctly LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
If it isnt starting with spark and fuel the plugs are fouled. I hope you didnt wash the rings.
Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Plugs are on the agenda this afternoon as well. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Today's checks include: Hooking up ATAP, Compression Check, and then a Plug Change.
What does it mean to wash your rings, I don't like the sound of it? Are you talking about the piston rings? Ewwww...
<strong>I said this before LOL
CHANGE YOUR PLUGS!
IF you are getting FUEL and SPARK through the wires it HAS TO BE THE PLUGS
There is nothing magical happening in the combustion chamber if the wires spark, injectors fire and the cam is installed correctly LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
If it isnt starting with spark and fuel the plugs are fouled. I hope you didnt wash the rings.
Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Plugs are on the agenda this afternoon as well. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Today's checks include: Hooking up ATAP, Compression Check, and then a Plug Change.
What does it mean to wash your rings, I don't like the sound of it? Are you talking about the piston rings? Ewwww...