SS00Blue

Shop smart. One c-note will get you done. Don't pay attention to those who chatter about "this is the gasket you need, with the un-obtanium inserts". Someone is always trying to sell something. Just get some good stock gaskets, a few valves, some bolts, and use good mechanical practices. You'll be fine.

SC

<small>[ June 21, 2002, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: SS00Blue ]</small>

Ryoga

Here we are now, day whatever it is on the cam install. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> I've gotten the intake torn off, heads stripped down, waterpump out of the way and power steering pump off to the side (which was a MAJOR pain I might add).

Now, all that is left is to take off the headers and pull the bolts on the heads. That is the task in place for tommorrow.

At a glance, with all the rockers off and using a straight edge it definatly appears that the exhaust valves must all be bent as they don't come back up into the close position with the springs free of the rockers.

Soooooo... Just how tough would it be for me to replace the valves myself? Would I be best served just letting the machine shop handle it? Man, I never knew the cam install was going to be so expensive! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> Exactly what parts am I going to HAVE to replace on the reinstall, I heard mention so far of head bolts and gaskets, is that it? And here I thought I was just kidding about needing to have a bake sell! Anyone wanna buy some cookies?

VAP

Sorry to read about your disasters ! But its not just a matter of changing the valves, the seats will most probably need to be recut, the bent valves will have pounded low spots in your seats and will still leak if you just replace the valves without grinding the seats. Stop f king up - take your and do it right so as your nightmare can be over !
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
All the best

wizkid

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VAP said it best. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Eric

Dodger

9 pages later, and now I don't remember what cam he was going with or if he ever replaced the valve springs... Sorry to read about your misfortune, but I hoped you learned from this, I know I have <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> And look at it this way, by the time this is all over, you'll really know you LS1 well <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Fireball

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other topic got too long <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

https://ls1tech.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ulti...c;f=1;t=005668

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Day 2 post cam install, and it still won't start... Everyones ideas have been exhausted and it's my daily driver. I'm beyond sick. There is just nothing showing up to be the culprit and it's pissing me off. I've taken a personal day off today I'm so sick with stress and disgust. Here is the thread I've been working with thus far on LS1.COM for some background:

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...hreadid=112341

For all the great advice I got, I still found nothing. I'm hoping maybe I'll find someone else out her in the LS1TECH community that has that one solid sparkling answer.. .

Anyone a mechanic or know one that travels and works for peanuts? This project has left me broke both financially and emotionally...

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Paul Bienvenu
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SJH

better check the valve guide clearance now also.

SS00Blue

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SJH:
<strong>better check the valve guide clearance now also.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah. I'd have to agree. Also, a previous post mentioned the possible deformation of the seats. I'd agree. Find a reputable local shop and have him touch it up. Now isn't the time to cut corners. I'd say, at least to myself in this predicament, "suck it in and make it right, so you don't have to do the R&R twice."

SC

don

sounds like you were 180 degrees out.more than likely the guides are cracked.

N2Ofreak

If piston to valve clearance wasn't an issue why did the valves bend!?

cantdrv65

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The valves were opening at the wrong time the cam was improperly installed. This caused the piston to valve contact.

Fireball

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any updates?

Ryoga

Its been a good week or so and it's still running strong! I owe most of it all to you guys! There were several points I wasn't sure I'd ever see it run again... Glad to prove myself wrong. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ July 14, 2002, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Ryoga ]</small>

WEASEL

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ryoga:
<strong>Its been a good week or so and it's still running strong! I owe most of it all to you guys! There were several points I wasn't sure I'd ever see it run again... Glad to prove myself wrong. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So what EXACTLY went wrong without me having to re-read the other thread?

I understand the cam was installed wrong but did you determine exactly why it was installed wrong and how could you have avoided it?

What all did you have to get done to fix it?

Just trying to avoid this if and when I do my own.

VINCE

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Have it towed to one of the vendors on this board. Thats my best advice..

Palm Beach Z

Yes, please let us know what had to be repaired.

Glad to hear you got it back together and all is well. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Ryoga

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by WEASEL:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ryoga:
<strong>Its been a good week or so and it's still running strong! I owe most of it all to you guys! There were several points I wasn't sure I'd ever see it run again... Glad to prove myself wrong. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So what EXACTLY went wrong without me having to re-read the other thread?

I understand the cam was installed wrong but did you determine exactly why it was installed wrong and how could you have avoided it?

What all did you have to get done to fix it?

Just trying to avoid this if and when I do my own.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The best I can guess, is that when my buddy lined up the dots, that one of the 'dots' wasn't really a dot, but maybe a speck or something that seemed like one. I'm not sure what happened there, I was working on another part at that time.

I think the real trouble was that we just had to many people to keep up with (there were 4 of us doing different things at the same time).

As to the damage. When it was installed wrong it caused the valves to open at the incorrect timing-which in turn made the intake valves smack into the pistons when it was cranked over. This bent all 8 of the intake valves and actualy bent 4 of the hardened pushrods. So at that point it was necessary to remove the heads and replace the valves. Then you get to reinstall the heads and get it all back together.

I did the reassembly by myself, while it took quite a bit, I knew everything that was done and was able to make sure I had it right before I turned it over. I learned a WHOLE LOT from the ordeal. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

Moral is: Don't get in a hurry, check and recheck EVERYTHING, own a Helms manual, and have good friends to help out in a pinch (If not for some of the tool loans, etc, I would have never made it).