Mark IXZD 150

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[quote]Originally posted by BIGBOS:
<strong>...with the 224 cam you won't see much more HP out of it and it will be more radical...I would stick with the 222/222 you will make the same power and it will still lope nice with a 112lsa...it all depends on what you want...</strong><hr></blockquote>


Not more horsepower than what? The stock cam?

What I want is in the first few posts of this thread. A reliable performer. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" />

BIGBOS

not a stock cam, but a 222/222 cam....

The cam I have is like the T1 and the C1(hammer cam)

222/222 .563/.563 112lsa

Thunder Racing = 224/224 .563/.563 112lsa

If you want the lope go with 112lsa...114 lopes, but not as much....224 will be radical....

I would reccomend going with the Hammer Cam or my cam and going with what ever stage 2 heads you want...you will make over 400rwhp on the dyno with tuning and the car will perform great...but I think you might need to buy some new tires... <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

BIGBOS

Another thing you are going to have to consider is getting a new rearend...with that much power there is a good possibility that that rear will snap pretty easily, the 6-speeds sent a lot more shock to the rear than the autos do...

If you have the auburn you could sell it and make some cash off of it, you could even make money with the torsen...but people look for the auburns more because when they break you can still drive home "one legged"

Izzo has a nice rearend deal....Moser 12 bolt installed for $2500

Good Luck with your decesions... <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Mark IXZD 150

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[quote]Originally posted by BIGBOS:
<strong>Another thing you are going to have to consider is getting a new rearend...with that much power there is a good possibility that that rear will snap pretty easily, the 6-speeds sent a lot more shock to the rear than the autos do...

If you have the auburn you could sell it and make some cash off of it, you could even make money with the torsen...but people look for the auburns more because when they break you can still drive home "one legged"

Izzo has a nice rearend deal....Moser 12 bolt installed for $2500

Good Luck with your decesions... <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, I don't plan on high rpm drag launches on sticky tires. With the tires I have now, it'll be like insurance - the tires will break loose instead of the rearend. My car is basically a street and autoX car and won't see a lot of dragstrip action.

BIGBOS

I'm sure you will get tempted after a while to see what all that power can do... <img src="graemlins/camaro.gif" border="0" alt="[Chevrolet]" />

Mark IXZD 150

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I'm pretty sure I know what it'll be able do. The idea will be to avoid grenading my rearend (or anything else for that matter). You're right though, I'll surely take it to the track at least once - at Bowling Green this September for the F-body gathering. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" />

jmX

Bigbos, its pretty silly to claim a 224 will be too radical but a 222 will be just right. Thats insane. You are talking about 2 degrees. All the popular cams (C1,B1, T1, TR224, etc) will make about the same power...its the heads that'll make or break it.

And FWIW, I drove home just fine on my broken torsen. Just made lots of nasty noises.

jmX

[quote]Originally posted by Mark IXZD 150:
<strong>I'm pretty sure I know what it'll be able do. The idea will be to avoid grenading my rearend (or anything else for that matter). You're right though, I'll surely take it to the track at least once - at Bowling Green this September for the F-body gathering. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Good luck. I twisted my driveshaft apart, then grenaded my torsen. Fortunatly I found a carbon fiber driveshaft used cheap, and a repalcement torsen is only $99 from SLP. Just be ready. The torsen broke on the street on a 1->2 shift with nittos.

BIGBOS

I don't think its silly, I was just listening to a new friend of mine LEO, he claimed that it was a little too radical...like you said it really doesn't matter what cam he goes with they will all make the same power....

And some torsens when they break you can drive home on, most explode... <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

Mark he is right about the 1-2 shifts

[ January 07, 2002: Message edited by: BIGBOS ]</p>

Dan00Hawk

Mark,

You and I have very similar goals for our vehicles in terms of having great street capability and reliablity, along with the occassional dragstrip/roadcourse event. I got a set of used MTI stage II heads for a great deal, and am searching for what cam to go with right now. I'm really leaning towards a 224/.563/112 cam to take advantage of the flow capabilities of the heads. From what I understand, a 112 LSA will move the powerband further down the rpm band compared to a 114. It'll lope more, and might require some adjustment to idle well, though. Programming (custom or HPP3) to raise the revlimiter will likely be needed to get the most out of the setup also. I'm not as concerned perhaps with losing low end torque, though, since that'll make it easier on the rear end. And with a six speed, you'll always be able to keep it in the power range of the engine.

I'll likely be going through Izzo's shop for the cam and install. I'd like to check out BOS' car sometime soon though. It's a CompCams Extreme grind, right Brian?

smokin' joe 00 ss

Hey Mark , great topic lets keep it going. This is what I've posted before trying to find a RELIABLE cam that you can take off on a trip with that is a good street cam that sounds good too but not too radical. I think Heads aren't as much of a worry, most of them will complement any cam that you want. The whole question is which one is reliable and will make the perfect street cam that has good driving manners that still sounds cool and will run the A/C at a stop light and not stall, this is what a call a Pro Touring car <img src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" border="0"> The 224, or the 222 and the Hammer/C1 all sound good to me and I've heard some make good power with the 01 Z06 cam, so many cams to choose from <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

BIGBOS

My cam is custom ground...

222/222 .563/.563 112lsa...

I was one of the first to try out this cam...izzo has had a ton of people order it since then.. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

I made 360rwhp and 350rwtq with no programming...just HPP3 raised rev limiter...

Also an unported MAF <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Louis

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[quote] where in the world did Chris Johnson go with his bably lift big duration cam that ran low 11's when no one else was there? you know, 20/20 boy? i have still been amazed at that motor and the power and trap speed he made. that was a combo that did not get enough attention i believe. <hr></blockquote>

He broke a ringland, and has been down for a LONG time. that might of only had 515 lift, but the ramp speed, and duration of that cam made it tough for driveability. even though it was on a 114, it loped more than a T1, and the fact that it had 226/236* of duration didnt help either. remember, that there was NO cat back on that car for that run. At a stop light here, pull up next to a Harley and you could not hear it. That is how radical that cam was.

-Louis

Mark IXZD 150

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I think I'm leaning towards jmX's suggestion but I'm going to be a bit bold and go with the 112lsa. I figure he's had enough different setups to have a good idea of what works well.

Does anyone have a soundclip of a 224/224 .561/.561 112 or 114 cam?

Raughammer

What would I recomend to a fella who is trying to have a DEPENDABLE, WELL PERFORMING car where torque is as important as HP?

HEADS
MTI stage 2 heads. Why? Well they are PROVEN performers that hold up and put out GREAT HP... on the dyno AND at the track.
They are warrantied and the shop stands behind their work. You can get an actual flow sheet of what YOUR heads flowed on the bench.
Customer service, quality, dependability and performance.

CAM
I have a buddy who just wanted a nice/quick car. He does not race much... he uses his car as a daily driver and work car. (like me)
I recommended the Hammer cam to him. (C1)
222/222 .566/.566 112 l/s
The cars that I have seen with this cam have a lope to it... nothing crazy. But you know it's there. Cold starts? A/C? No probs.
For a street car it is a good choice. Decide what cam you want and then go one size smaller.
Here are a few dynos from a couple of MTI stage2 heads/cam cars equipped with the Hammer cam.
Watch out going for too much lift. Excessive lift is HARD on the valve springs. But it does make power.


The Dark Blue dyno is an A4. The other ones are M6's (like yours)

My web page might has a lot of cam/head info on it. Maybe some of it would help you make an informed decision.
Good luck.

[ January 08, 2002: Message edited by: Raughammer ]</p>

AlonzoVersion 1.0

[quote]Originally posted by Mark IXZD 150:
<strong>BTW jmX,

I plan on using your website info on heads/cam swap to help me with the work. Some people have really been helpful by taking the time to put some of this stuff together for us other guys to use as reference. Thanks for putting that together.</strong><hr></blockquote>You still got that special going on Mark?What was it 75%off?

jmX

[quote]Originally posted by Mark IXZD 150:
<strong>BTW jmX,

I plan on using your website info on heads/cam swap to help me with the work. Some people have really been helpful by taking the time to put some of this stuff together for us other guys to use as reference. Thanks for putting that together.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ooops..missed that post. No prob man...a lot of people have swapped heads using that doc so I beleive its pretty complete right now. This engine is so easy to work on compared to old stuff it seems.

ChrisB

[quote]Originally posted by gator's 99TA:
<strong>Chris Johnson ... you know, 20/20 boy?</strong><hr></blockquote>

http://www.slowcar.net/shared/drag_racing_junkies.wmv

edit: You have to do a save-as I think, I don't know if it will stream correctly or not

Sorry, no constructive advice other than to say

Subjectively: I have been very pleased with GTP and know they put out a quality product. There are quite a few fast cars out there and Craig has a great track record. My personal suggestion for a cam would be similar to the one trahnzham is running - it's a 223/223 grind - for idle/drivability I would get it on a 114 +4. 0.58/0.58 lift. It's a stock bottom end and Nick still made 411 ft-lbs of torque in a six speed! 418rwhp@5800 rpm! (his was on a 112). And that was with timing issues (20 degrees of timing).

Objectively: Look at what other people are running and find a package that you would be happy with. Emulate. Realistically everyone is going to have their own pet favorite. I have to go with jMX on the cam choices - there is not a whole hell of a lot of difference in the normal cam range - 221/221-224/224. There is power to be made, don't get me wrong, but it's not the huge difference some make it out to be.

I really just have been waiting to post that video again though <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

Chris

[ January 08, 2002: Message edited by: ChrisB ]</p>

Mark IXZD 150

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This is a great thread. Thanks for all the input. I'm getting real close to a decision now. Let's keep it going so maybe some others in the same position will benefit too.

Visceral

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That video absolutely CRACKS me UP.

Hoooly sh*t! Dude! Sell that baby! You know you dont need it <img src="gr_tounge.gif" border="0">

Anyways....funny video. That reminds me of SO many ppl back there in Texas. The guy way over-dramatized all of it, but hey...can we not say its all true? That vid deserves its own topic. Maybe I missed it and that thing is old news... dunno. I dont watch TV besides PBTV <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

chris (n)
livin' in a crackhouse
eatin' macaroni and cheese
buying the cheapest soap
got a fast-*** car (3 actually! <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> )
(actually, Ive found a nice place and my car is still broken, Im on a budget, and I dont ever drive the Vette.... BUT STILL!)