PROJECT FMS 346 street solid roller dyno #'s
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Well,finally got to dyno tune my ride's new setup after Gordon( GTS-SS )rolled out his 461 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Tuned her out to corrected 453 HP\ 385 TQ,with a peak at 6600 and held 448-446 to 7400 limiter.
This was with 12 bolt with 4.56's\spool and same 22lb chromemoly driveshaft as Gordon!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> open cutout and 103 VP\93 mix. Will post graph soon.
FMS\Meaux stage 2 LS6 2.055"\1.60"
FMS street solid roller 233\233 .629\.629 112 l\s
12.0 CR Forged pistons\rods
Custom T&D 1.9 Rockers to increase lift to .705"
Old combo on stock bottom was good for 416\395 and ran 11.35@122.5 at 3500 lbs.Stage 1 LS1 heads,street solid roller 224\228 .580"\.580" 114 l\s,10.8 CR,12 bolt with 4.30's,26" slicks.
Only runs on the new setup before tuning has been 11.42 @ 125.45 at 3475 lbs on drag radial's with previous 4.30 gears, stepped up to the 4.56\28.5 slicks and 3390 raceweight <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Last pull was cutout closed and through the 3.5" Mufflex exhaust,made 440 hp.Also this setup is a blast to drive and VERY docile!
Thanks to Geoff@Thunder for the dyno time and Jason for being the manual cutout operator <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
<small>[ September 14, 2002, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: Futral Motorsports ]</small>
Tuned her out to corrected 453 HP\ 385 TQ,with a peak at 6600 and held 448-446 to 7400 limiter.
This was with 12 bolt with 4.56's\spool and same 22lb chromemoly driveshaft as Gordon!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> open cutout and 103 VP\93 mix. Will post graph soon.
FMS\Meaux stage 2 LS6 2.055"\1.60"
FMS street solid roller 233\233 .629\.629 112 l\s
12.0 CR Forged pistons\rods
Custom T&D 1.9 Rockers to increase lift to .705"
Old combo on stock bottom was good for 416\395 and ran 11.35@122.5 at 3500 lbs.Stage 1 LS1 heads,street solid roller 224\228 .580"\.580" 114 l\s,10.8 CR,12 bolt with 4.30's,26" slicks.
Only runs on the new setup before tuning has been 11.42 @ 125.45 at 3475 lbs on drag radial's with previous 4.30 gears, stepped up to the 4.56\28.5 slicks and 3390 raceweight <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Last pull was cutout closed and through the 3.5" Mufflex exhaust,made 440 hp.Also this setup is a blast to drive and VERY docile!
Thanks to Geoff@Thunder for the dyno time and Jason for being the manual cutout operator <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
<small>[ September 14, 2002, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: Futral Motorsports ]</small>
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Nice numbers! That power has some heavy duty stuff to go thru to get to the back tires. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
I'm just curious. Any particular reason for going with a 1.9 rocker instead of just getting the cam ground to a certain lift. How big a cam(lift) can you fit in a LS1?
By Very docile what type of idle do you mean? If you can get away with that big of a solid cam(compared to the same spec. hydraulic) in a 346 than what solid cam do you think would have similiar characteristics in a 422. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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I'm just curious. Any particular reason for going with a 1.9 rocker instead of just getting the cam ground to a certain lift. How big a cam(lift) can you fit in a LS1?
By Very docile what type of idle do you mean? If you can get away with that big of a solid cam(compared to the same spec. hydraulic) in a 346 than what solid cam do you think would have similiar characteristics in a 422. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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John,had this lobe designed to work in an LS1 with 1.7 rockers,be aggresive without beating the valvetrain. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Just went with 1.9 rockers for the lift to work with the LS6 heads <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> .
This cam would be equal to a 226-228 hydraulic cam for driveabilty and idle.Solid cams have to be 6 degress bigger at .050" to equal a hydraulic cams total seat timing( .006").
Take Tony's motor,248 @.050"hydraulic.A solid cam would need to be around 254 @.050" to have the same seat timing.
<small>[ September 14, 2002, 12:54 AM: Message edited by: Futral Motorsports ]</small>
This cam would be equal to a 226-228 hydraulic cam for driveabilty and idle.Solid cams have to be 6 degress bigger at .050" to equal a hydraulic cams total seat timing( .006").
Take Tony's motor,248 @.050"hydraulic.A solid cam would need to be around 254 @.050" to have the same seat timing.
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I thought I recognized that blue SS that dyoned after I did! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
Very impressive! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
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Very impressive! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
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Gordon,I felt honored to dyno after you <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> had to see how mine compared <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
Alonzo,got it.If you want call me at the shop after 12.00.
Vince,you getting that "V1" cam installed soon <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Don't worry,track times to soon follow <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
Alonzo,got it.If you want call me at the shop after 12.00.
Vince,you getting that "V1" cam installed soon <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Don't worry,track times to soon follow <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
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<img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" /> Congrats on the nice numbers,it will only get better with the cold weather coming.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MicahJam:
<strong>Very nice. What kind of maintenance is involved with this kind of solid roller setup?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Valve lashing is the only matience that I know of.You have to check it every 3000 or so miles to make sure its still good clearance that is but from what I have been hearing most say they never move if done correctly.
<strong>Very nice. What kind of maintenance is involved with this kind of solid roller setup?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Valve lashing is the only matience that I know of.You have to check it every 3000 or so miles to make sure its still good clearance that is but from what I have been hearing most say they never move if done correctly.
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Alan took me for a ride in that beast when he had the 4.30 gears and that thing is bad ***. When he first cranked it, it sounds awsome but no Idle surge just a nice lope. Congrats on the #'s Alan and I look forward to another ride with the 4.56's <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Chad
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Now this sounds exactly how I want to setup my motor!
Can you give me an idea of how much it would cost to have a solid roller 346 built?
Can you give me an idea of how much it would cost to have a solid roller 346 built?
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by H82BBad:
<strong>I used to run a solid roller on the street a few years back. (89-91) I had a problem with the roller lifters spitting out out the roller after about 5000 street miles.I also used to lash them about every other weekend.
Have the lifters come a long way since then?Or is everyone having the same problems?Who is running one of these combos on the street?How many miles on it? With that kind of valve lift are you using Bronze valve guides?.
Thanks looking foreward to the answers</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">well anyone?
<strong>I used to run a solid roller on the street a few years back. (89-91) I had a problem with the roller lifters spitting out out the roller after about 5000 street miles.I also used to lash them about every other weekend.
Have the lifters come a long way since then?Or is everyone having the same problems?Who is running one of these combos on the street?How many miles on it? With that kind of valve lift are you using Bronze valve guides?.
Thanks looking foreward to the answers</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">well anyone?
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Finally have the dyno graph posted on the website
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I used to run a solid roller on the street a few years back. (89-91) I had a problem with the roller lifters spitting out out the roller after about 5000 street miles.I also used to lash them about every other weekend.
Have the lifters come a long way since then?Or is everyone having the same problems?Who is running one of these combos on the street?How many miles on it? With that kind of valve lift are you using Bronze valve guides?.
Thanks looking foreward to the answers
Have the lifters come a long way since then?Or is everyone having the same problems?Who is running one of these combos on the street?How many miles on it? With that kind of valve lift are you using Bronze valve guides?.
Thanks looking foreward to the answers
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Congrats Allan! It dynoed a little better than you expected. LOL
10s will be in easy once you get the 28" slicks on the car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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10s will be in easy once you get the 28" slicks on the car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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good deal Alan, now I expect the same for my motor ... oops, forgot I am still hydro-locked LOL
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Good #'s there Alan. Now lets see how it does on the street against me. LOL
What about that GTS SS guy? He any good street racin'?
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What about that GTS SS guy? He any good street racin'?
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