I just recently came across a little extra dough and was wanting to do heads and cam...I see that TEA has the stage 2 heads for 1800 bucks and everyone here seems to like them...but which cam should i go with...the last time i dynoed my car it made 333 HP and 347 TQ...I would like to make atleast 400 HP at the wheels...One more question...Will a car like ours run with no tuning and a huge came and heads? I've seen guys do it but it looks like a lot more gain with the programming...who's the best programming man too? sorry so many questions...trying to fill my head with knowledge...thanks guys

wesley
98 Z28

 

WESLEY!!!!!!!!!!

Call up ThunderRacing, get their Heads/Cam package, the TR224 is an awesome cam, you got another vehicle to drive so if you want get a LARGE CAM!!

Actually pick a number and find the guys with that number. Thunder is doing well, so is Cartek, MMS, MTI, and several others.

Just do something!!

 

Wesley,

For the price and performace, I'd stick with TEA. No just talk, I've been looking at heads and cam packages for almost 4 years. I think TEA's Stage 2's are the best for the money. I ordered TEA's heads so I put my $$$ where my mouth is. I like GTP too, almost ordered a set from Craig last year. GTP is too expensive for to me for MAYBE a few extra hp. I can do the whole TEA package for what just GTP dual spring heads cost AND pay core charge upgrading too 5.3's. However, a TR cam with TEA heads might work really well, call TEA and ask Brent.

If money isn't an issue get both, dyno both and keep the best heads. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Sporatic's car made 420rwhp with an LS1 intake, mac's, B1 cam, TEA Stage 2 heads over a year ago...pretty impressive.

Verb's car made 437rwhp with 230/224 cam, TEA Stage 2 heads, LS6 intake and few other items w/12-bolt or 9-inch read end--I forgot which.

Talk with Brian Tooley at TEA about cam selection. Brent can help as well.

TEA is pretty decent at cam selection they have a nice 222/222 that should work well w/o much tuning. B1 will work well too.

I have a thread similar to this about cam's for TEA heads too.

So far I'm leaning toward:

226/226 w/XE-r ramps on a 114LSA for emissions/OBD-II w/590ish lift and 4 degrees of advance ground in.

Also considering TR-220, TR-224, B1, and a custom TEA grind.

<small>[ September 19, 2002, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: 99 Black Bird T/A ]</small>

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Shon Herron:
<strong>WESLEY!!!!!!!!!!

Call up ThunderRacing, get their Heads/Cam package</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Doesnt thunderracing just resell GTP heads? Or do they do something different?

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 99 Black Bird T/A:
<strong>
Verb's car made 437rwhp with 230/224 cam, TEA Stage 2 heads, LS6 intake and few other items w/12-bolt or 9-inch read end--I forgot which.

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">33 spline 12 bolt w/ 3.73's <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> And I've got lots of tuning to go....

 

I'd have to second the vote for TEA. I had an original set of their stage II LS1 heads (5.7L) on my TA. Now, my heads were hand ported. They were some of the heads done before they got the CNC program perfected. I was very pleased with my results, especially given the fact that I was still using the LS1 intake and had stock tuning.

 

Oops, forgot you were asking about cams. I think any of the currently popular cams would be fine. I'd look at maybe the TR230, if it were me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

I have TEA heads also and a very small 218/218 dur cam. My car made 400 rwhp through the catback.
What are your goals as far as driveablity, emmissions concerns, etc. My car breezed through emissions testing.

 

well my only real goal is to run some 7.3 or so 1/8th mile times...i ran a 7.79@90.7 with just my bolt ons and gobs of suspension...i have run nitrous on the car but i just want to do it without it...and of course i could always spray it afterwards and really wow some folks...as far as driveability goes...i like to drive my car on the street...i like to think that right now i could go out to my garage and just drive to the beach like i did earlier this year and not have any worries...stuff like that...i don't drive my car all that much anyway...but i don't want a car i can't drive around town and pick on slow cars...
thanks for all the replies...sounds like TEA will be the ones to go with..for the money...guess i'll call them soon...later fellas

wesley
98 Z28

 

Wesley,
Email this fella right here: brentb3243@comcast.net
he really knows his cam stuff and his car is very quick NA (low low 7's in 1/8th). A4 car.

<small>[ September 22, 2002, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: Dustin Butts ]</small>

 

Hi Wesley BrentB here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Thanks for the comments guys.I think Brian is up on his game very well ,the CNC machine is working great,not to mention if you order a set of heads now cause your buddy just made x power with them,you know you will get the same quality as his within a few CFM,Becuase the CNC is very repeatable.
As far as cam if you have killer exhaust on the car. (long-tubes,cut out etc) I would look towards one of thunders cam's. I am leaning toward there 227/224 myself and TEA will also do similar grinds for you.(which is the route I am going. I like the 230 cam but you have to watch your milling,so thats why I would use the 227/224

BTW I used to work for TEA,but do not any longer.

There is another Brent that works there now.

Oh I am running 7.30's with a cam that is only 216 on a 114 so you can run that number,no problem with a small cam. with the right converter
I would use a st3500 or somthing similar.
For the best drivability I would use something like a 220/220 with around .550 lift on a 114,the 218/218 also works great and has a great idle and makes very nice power.
Or what I would like to see tried would be a 224intake 218 exhaust on a 114.I think it would idle great with real good power.Providing you have headers and a free flowing exhaust.

<small>[ September 22, 2002, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: H82BBad ]</small>

 

As like Brent and Andy,I had an earlier set of hand ported 5.7 Stage 2 heads on my old setup. With the Comp 222 that TEA came out with for Andys car my car Dynoed at 389 rwhp and 430 rwtq.
The car ran good the the track. To the tune of 1.56 60' 7.20 at 96.8. The 1/4 times i never got to make one good complete pass but the best one was a 11.45 at 119.8 Cause the yank tranny wouldnt hold up. Brent and Andy can vouch for this cam as they have both had it. Justin

 

Keep in mind that Brent actually came up with the specs for the 222/222 .566/.566 112 cam for me originally. This spec was later repeated by others and is now known by many as the "Hammer Cam". Brent definitely has very good insight on cam design and specification. I would (and did) take his advice. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

Brent's my hero...heeheheheeee..

What up Andy and Justin...where you guys been? As soon as my suspension stuff arrives and gets installed I am heading to BG(God willing). This car is running awesome with the new ARE PnP high flow fuel pump and 3.73's. I feel like Warren Johnson up in here...Maybe I can FINALLY slip into the 10 sec zone.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dustin Butts:
<strong>Brent's my hero...heeheheheeee..

What up Andy and Justin...where you guys been? As soon as my suspension stuff arrives and gets installed I am heading to BG(God willing). This car is running awesome with the new ARE PnP high flow fuel pump and 3.73's. I feel like Warren Johnson up in here...Maybe I can FINALLY slip into the 10 sec zone.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">All I do is work anymore. And since I decided not to race or mod the Vette, I don't make it to Beech Bend as much. Maybe I'll have a project car in the near future to play with. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

My goals are similar to Wesley's, as mentioned in the other TEA head/cam selection thread.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Go FasTA:
<strong>Keep in mind that Brent actually came up with the specs for the 222/222 .566/.566 112 cam for me originally. This spec was later repeated by others and is now known by many as the "Hammer Cam". Brent definitely has very good insight on cam design and specification. I would (and did) take his advice. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Talked with Brent today about cam selection for my TEA Stage 2's. Looking at tweaking your Go FastTa cam for my application. Current plan is to do a 222/222 on a 114 LSA w/566 lift with XE-R lobes.

Thinking is it will have a better chance at passing emissions stuff on the 114 and idle a little better untuned. Think it should drive ok in a M6 w/3.73 or higher gears until I can get the car tuned.

Not to hog in on Wesley thread but what do ya'll think?

 

Yea Dustin, my car has been outta commission since March when i dynoed it and it cought fire because of the backfire it had, the the motor locked up at the track bout 20 min later then that. Brian let me use his 6.0 long block to get me around for now, but now my new motor has oil pressure problems and had to be rebuilt, all im waiting on now is gettin a 400 turbo from rossler and sorting out my turbo stuff fabbing bigger pipeing up and shoud be ready to go. Hopefully i can make another apperance at BB when it get good weather. Justin

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 99 Black Bird T/A:
<strong>My goals are similar to Wesley's, as mentioned in the other TEA head/cam selection thread.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Go FasTA:
<strong>Keep in mind that Brent actually came up with the specs for the 222/222 .566/.566 112 cam for me originally. This spec was later repeated by others and is now known by many as the "Hammer Cam". Brent definitely has very good insight on cam design and specification. I would (and did) take his advice. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Talked with Brent today about cam selection for my TEA Stage 2's. Looking at tweaking your Go FastTa cam for my application. Current plan is to do a 222/222 on a 114 LSA w/566 lift with XE-R lobes.

Thinking is it will have a better chance at passing emissions stuff on the 114 and idle a little better untuned. Think it should drive ok in a M6 w/3.73 or higher gears until I can get the car tuned.

Not to hog in on Wesley thread but what do ya'll think?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well you talked to the other Brent <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I dont work there anymore.And I might add I would talk to Brian over the current Brent that works there.JMO
Thanks for the kind words guys,makes my little heart go pitter patter <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

if you want a great idle and great all around driving,try a reverse split.Brian and I had talked of using a reverse split last year but I didnt want to be the guinnie pig <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Glad thunder had the nuts to do it as they are performing very well for them.And we all win by them taking a chance.
224intake /218 or 220 exhaust, on a 114.
stay around .540-.560 lift anymore than that and I would use bronze valve guides over the stock valve guides.

Brent B

<small>[ September 24, 2002, 07:51 PM: Message edited by: H82BBad ]</small>

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by H82BBad:
Well you talked to the other Brent <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I dont work there anymore.And I might add I would talk to Brian over the current Brent that works there.JMO
Thanks for the kind words guys,makes my little heart go pitter patter <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Brent B[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">TEA pretty much directs all the LS1 stuff to the other Brent these days. Brian is always busy.

 

I'd probably agree with Brent. The reverse split cams are very attractive right now and seem to offer a great combination of streetability/driveability along with great performance.

Matt's (Sporadic) car is a great example of what can be accomplished with a mild setup and a 114 cam in an M6. 420 rwhp through an LS1 intake with a B1 cam is an excellent accomplishment. His car definitely idles much better than mine did with the 222 .566 112 cam. He also has less surging/bucking. If I were to put a cam in the Vette, it would definitely be on a 114 LSA.

Oh, also keep in mind that neither Matt or I had any custom tuning other than HPP3 power tuning.

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