Do any shops market small cams anymore? why NOT?
09-08-2008, 11:24 AM
#281
We still work with smaller lobes all the time. We're actually working on some new designs for the smaller duration guys very shortly here...
Checkout our engine dyno cam thread, it compares the 224R, 228R & bigger all on the same engine!
Checkout our engine dyno cam thread, it compares the 224R, 228R & bigger all on the same engine!
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Co-Owner, Texas Speed & Performance, Ltd.
2005 Twin Turbo C6
404cid Stroker, 67mm Twins
994rwhp/902lb ft @ 22 psi (mustang dyno) www.Texas-Speed.com
09-08-2008, 12:40 PM
#282
http://www.jegs.com/i/Edelbrock/350/...0002/-1?CT=999
pricey if your not going to be changing cams every month
pricey if your not going to be changing cams every month
09-10-2008, 03:51 PM
#283
Thats what i loved about my JPR S1 241 casting heads and Comp. 216/220 cam..it
ran excellent on the street and ran 11.7's at the track in a full weight WS6 A4 w/stock
3.23 gears and 10 bolt. I know when i'm ready i'm looking at either the AFR 205's or
the Terminator 200cc heads with a custom comp 218/224 cam.
ran excellent on the street and ran 11.7's at the track in a full weight WS6 A4 w/stock
3.23 gears and 10 bolt. I know when i'm ready i'm looking at either the AFR 205's or
the Terminator 200cc heads with a custom comp 218/224 cam.
09-20-2008, 01:05 AM
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This is a great thread. I'm finally taking the H/C plunge with my '98 and want a decent powerband, not a peaky strip-only beast that won't idle. I see a lot of the huge cams and just scroll down (or flip the page). If it's a drag car that won't see any time below 4000rpm that's probably what you want, but I'm more interested in having a fun street car that can turn corners. Like my dad's drag racing buddies say "You don't race dynos". The guy with smaller numbers often spanks the peaky monsters.
After reading most of this thread I hope I didn't go too big on mine. I went with a 228/232 .588/.595 on a 112 with some ported 5.3 heads. We'll see. And if it's over-cammed, I still have that TR224 sitting on a shelf that I was told was "too small" or "you'll wish you went bigger" time and time again.
After reading most of this thread I hope I didn't go too big on mine. I went with a 228/232 .588/.595 on a 112 with some ported 5.3 heads. We'll see. And if it's over-cammed, I still have that TR224 sitting on a shelf that I was told was "too small" or "you'll wish you went bigger" time and time again.
09-20-2008, 01:24 AM
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yeah here my ???? i have a set of old PRC stage 1 ls6 heads.... they run out to a 237 cc head... i have a tr 224 226 562 564 @ 114 cam sittin here.... i know i can make great power with these heads but i doubt it with this cam.... i wanna make good power... play with the 11's mark.... and have it sound mean as anything.... i love overlap!!!
what should i do... i drive this car alot but not that much
what should i do... i drive this car alot but not that much
09-20-2008, 10:27 AM
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yeah here my ???? i have a set of old PRC stage 1 ls6 heads.... they run out to a 237 cc head... i have a tr 224 226 562 564 @ 114 cam sittin here.... i know i can make great power with these heads but i doubt it with this cam.... i wanna make good power... play with the 11's mark.... and have it sound mean as anything.... i love overlap!!!
what should i do... i drive this car alot but not that much
what should i do... i drive this car alot but not that much
Sell your 224/224 114lsa and get their 228r on a 111+3 LSA (custom VEs). It will make the lope you want 6* overlap and be a nasty all around street cam.
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09-21-2008, 09:39 AM
#291
The biggest reason you dont see small cams is kids are stuck on the biggest cam they can find and not looking at how to make the car faster, just at a dyno number.
They they see some dy no chart that doesnt record until 3000 rpms and don't realize that up until that 3000 Rpms the car is a dog and giving up the first 100 ft to SUV at every traffic light unless you go WOT off the light.
I remember 4 yrs ago someone telling me to go with a 232/234 ... it was the cam flavor of the month.... I went with a TR224 and beat the hell out of the bigger cam by the tune of 20hp all the way from 1100 rpm to 6000 rpms. Just about Identical setups except his car had a better exhaust.
But all most people on here see is the peak dyno number and they think that's where the speed is. Well if you leave the liine at 5000rpms then yes that is where the speed is but what about the entire rpm range unitl you get to that point? Drag only cars are a different animal than street cars that see a little bit of track time.
When your going with a cam think about what rpm range you do most of your dirving in and then choose accordingly. If you shift at 4000 rpms all the time and occasionaly bring it to 6200 rpms a 244 duration cam is not what you want under the hood. I still think the TR224 is the best all around cam on the planet, except no imitation on Thunder sells the TR224... the original and still the best.
They they see some dy no chart that doesnt record until 3000 rpms and don't realize that up until that 3000 Rpms the car is a dog and giving up the first 100 ft to SUV at every traffic light unless you go WOT off the light.
I remember 4 yrs ago someone telling me to go with a 232/234 ... it was the cam flavor of the month.... I went with a TR224 and beat the hell out of the bigger cam by the tune of 20hp all the way from 1100 rpm to 6000 rpms. Just about Identical setups except his car had a better exhaust.
But all most people on here see is the peak dyno number and they think that's where the speed is. Well if you leave the liine at 5000rpms then yes that is where the speed is but what about the entire rpm range unitl you get to that point? Drag only cars are a different animal than street cars that see a little bit of track time.
When your going with a cam think about what rpm range you do most of your dirving in and then choose accordingly. If you shift at 4000 rpms all the time and occasionaly bring it to 6200 rpms a 244 duration cam is not what you want under the hood. I still think the TR224 is the best all around cam on the planet, except no imitation on Thunder sells the TR224... the original and still the best.
09-21-2008, 09:58 AM
#292
The biggest reason you dont see small cams is kids are stuck on the biggest cam they can find and not looking at how to make the car faster, just at a dyno number.
They they see some dy no chart that doesnt record until 3000 rpms and don't realize that up until that 3000 Rpms the car is a dog and giving up the first 100 ft to SUV at every traffic light unless you go WOT off the light.
I remember 4 yrs ago someone telling me to go with a 232/234 ... it was the cam flavor of the month.... I went with a TR224 and beat the hell out of the bigger cam by the tune of 20hp all the way from 1100 rpm to 6000 rpms. Just about Identical setups except his car had a better exhaust.
But all most people on here see is the peak dyno number and they think that's where the speed is. Well if you leave the liine at 5000rpms then yes that is where the speed is but what about the entire rpm range unitl you get to that point? Drag only cars are a different animal than street cars that see a little bit of track time.
When your going with a cam think about what rpm range you do most of your dirving in and then choose accordingly. If you shift at 4000 rpms all the time and occasionaly bring it to 6200 rpms a 244 duration cam is not what you want under the hood. I still think the TR224 is the best all around cam on the planet, except no imitation on Thunder sells the TR224... the original and still the best.
They they see some dy no chart that doesnt record until 3000 rpms and don't realize that up until that 3000 Rpms the car is a dog and giving up the first 100 ft to SUV at every traffic light unless you go WOT off the light.
I remember 4 yrs ago someone telling me to go with a 232/234 ... it was the cam flavor of the month.... I went with a TR224 and beat the hell out of the bigger cam by the tune of 20hp all the way from 1100 rpm to 6000 rpms. Just about Identical setups except his car had a better exhaust.
But all most people on here see is the peak dyno number and they think that's where the speed is. Well if you leave the liine at 5000rpms then yes that is where the speed is but what about the entire rpm range unitl you get to that point? Drag only cars are a different animal than street cars that see a little bit of track time.
When your going with a cam think about what rpm range you do most of your dirving in and then choose accordingly. If you shift at 4000 rpms all the time and occasionaly bring it to 6200 rpms a 244 duration cam is not what you want under the hood. I still think the TR224 is the best all around cam on the planet, except no imitation on Thunder sells the TR224... the original and still the best.
Guess I totally disagree with your post.
09-21-2008, 10:05 AM
#293
I gained power and torque everywhere going from my TR 224 to my 232/236 cam. I didn't notice any "loss" at lower rpms but my ETs/mph definaetly improved. Only downside I can see is a lil bit of cam surge at low cruising rpms. Car is not a dd and it doesn't bother me.
Guess I totally disagree with your post.
Guess I totally disagree with your post.
You also need to re-read my post and absorb some of it. I stated the difference between a drag queen and street car, you missed that.
I stated that a bigger cam in a drag queen is the way to go be becasue your using the power band. I slo dont believe you gained all across the boards going from a tr224 to a 234/236 cam. ( no I dont want to see a dyn o chart) Been there done that, you dont gain power under the curve by going with a biggger cam. Maybe your tune of the TR224 wasnt optimal.
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09-21-2008, 10:18 AM
#295
Again you need to re-read my post. Try and absorb some of it this time.
I dont believe you gained power under the curve at all. Honestly I dont want to argue about this either. You think a bigger cam gives you more power under the curve than a tr224 go ahead. I'm dropping from the thread.
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink it.
I dont believe you gained power under the curve at all. Honestly I dont want to argue about this either. You think a bigger cam gives you more power under the curve than a tr224 go ahead. I'm dropping from the thread.
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink it.
09-21-2008, 10:28 AM
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^^^fight! fight! fight!^^^ so not to many people have had the f6 cam on here, i would really like to get info on it. i guess ill call futral one day
09-21-2008, 11:07 AM
#297
Again you need to re-read my post. Try and absorb some of it this time.
I dont believe you gained power under the curve at all. Honestly I dont want to argue about this either. You think a bigger cam gives you more power under the curve than a tr224 go ahead. I'm dropping from the thread.
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink it.
I dont believe you gained power under the curve at all. Honestly I dont want to argue about this either. You think a bigger cam gives you more power under the curve than a tr224 go ahead. I'm dropping from the thread.
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink it.
09-21-2008, 11:21 AM
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99BlancoSS is correct. That has been proven ions ago. In the old days there used to be a TR224, TR230, G5X2 swap comparison, TR224 had them both under the curve untill 4K+ then, only then the bigger cams started shining and not by much (cam only)
Cam design is not linear. It is a tug of war contest, do this, you loose that. There are some compromising grounds and this is where TR224, TSP 228R, my 230/230 grind come above all. There is no way around it, it is called valve events
Cam design is not linear. It is a tug of war contest, do this, you loose that. There are some compromising grounds and this is where TR224, TSP 228R, my 230/230 grind come above all. There is no way around it, it is called valve events
09-21-2008, 01:14 PM
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I gained power and torque everywhere going from my TR 224 to my 232/236 cam. I didn't notice any "loss" at lower rpms but my ETs/mph definaetly improved. Only downside I can see is a lil bit of cam surge at low cruising rpms. Car is not a dd and it doesn't bother me.
Guess I totally disagree with your post.
Guess I totally disagree with your post.
Fixed. (your results may vary) And regardless of what my graphs do show, as I said I noticed no loss down low.
Of juvenile immaturity that is.
