Ed Potter @ LPE

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Well, it looks like the CFM wars are starting to heat up!
after reading the post about ARE's new LS6 head, I thought I would share our stage 2 flow #'s and retail pricing.

These heads use 2.02 intake, 1.57 exhaust valves, they are CNC ported with the optional full hand sanding.
int exh
200 158 123
300 228 173
400 278 204
450 296 212
500 309 218
550 314 221
600 314 224

retail price on these heads is $2195.00 with exchange, and turnaround time is 2 weeks. (optional hand sanding I mentioned earlier is included in that price!)

just to clarify stage 2 is our 2.02/1.57 CNC head
stage 3 is the same head with optional hand sanding, so these flow #'s are actually our stage 3 heads.

Ed

<small>[ November 20, 2002, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: Ed Potter @ LPE ]</small>

Nine Ball

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"$2195 with exchange"

Does that mean an exchange on only LS6 cores, or can LS1 cores be exchanged too?

Nice numbers by the way!

-Tony

Ed Potter @ LPE

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Thanks Tony, I should have been more clear.
the $2195.00 w/exchange price is only with LS6 cores. If you need them, we can sell you new GM LS6 castings for $1450.00. We can't take LS1 cores in towards LS6 head packages. Hope this helps clear up the pricing.
Ed

<small>[ November 20, 2002, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: Ed Potter @ LPE ]</small>

Reckless

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Very nice Ed! Does the name Bob Lee ring a bell with you? Used to race with him a lot out in Hawaii. Super nice guy.

Last I heard he is waiting for his 2003 SSR Truck so he can send it to you guys for some magic. He has beat on that '98 Z-28 you guys built for him and never had a single issue with it. I thinj it was one of the first LS1 stroker motors you guys did?

383ss

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VERY nice numbers and pricing!!!

<small>[ November 20, 2002, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: 383ss ]</small>

Ed Potter @ LPE

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Hey Todd -
Yes, I remember Bob, I think that blue Z28 was one of the first strokers, I really liked the tan roll cage with swing out door bars. That thing was WAY cool back in '98! thanks for the compliments on the heads.

Ed

Ed Potter @ LPE

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baddmood -
As you can see in the edit to my post, I mistakenly called my numbers stage 2 when they should be stage 3. we didn't actually post a stage 2 number, but it should fall somewhere between stage 1 and 3. Granted , the improvement between stage 2 and 3 isn't a big one, but it's not 2 or 3 CFM for 600.00 like you stated. The two sets of numbers you are comparing are stage 1 (Josh's post) and stage 3 (my post) the cost difference between the two is 600.00, and the CFM difference is pretty good through the entire range.
As for our low lift numbers, proper valve & seat angles will give you good low & midrange numbers, experience has shown us exactly what will & will not work.

There is nothing wrong with our flowbench.

Ed

BaddMood

Ed no disrespect but your talking **** Josh called the other head a stage 1 true or false? You are calling this head a stage 3 true or false? there is a 6 cfm average flow difference between the stage 1 and 3 heads that 100.00 dollars per cfm.And all this with a 2.02 valve I guess everyone else is just missing the boat right.SURE ED!! Ed not everyone one is as new as you think!And Ed how many people run more then 600 lift? <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />

onfire

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Lighten up Baddmood . Ed and LPE are great folks that are trying to share some info. The differences in Josh's post and Ed's post is not 2 or 3 cfm as you posted. On the intake port the Stage 3 gains 5cfm@0.200" 2cfm@0.400" 8cfm@0.400" 15cfm@0.500" and 7cfm@0.550".....if that's not worth $600 to you don't buy'em <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> (HINT: there's a lot of variables that make or break HP from head porting that has nothing to do with flow numbers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> )

07BlueDevilZ06

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best bang for the buck is the gm cnc head im going 11.40 with these heads untouched and its 2100 shipped with head bolts and gaskets from jay fisher no exchange brand new castings and they are built to the tightest of gm tolerences .

george

99 Black Bird T/A

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BaddMood, chill out Ed & Josh are two of the good guys. We don't want LPE to get the idea we behave like some the folks over LSkiddy.com did few years ago when LPE used to visit the old board. I'm sure Ed & Josh are very eager to tell us all about their new products. I for one am all eager to learn as much as I can. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2002nhraformula:
<strong>best bang for the buck is the gm cnc head im going 11.40 with these heads untouched and its 2100 shipped with head bolts and gaskets from jay fisher no exchange brand new castings and they are built to the tightest of gm tolerences .

george</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If that's the LS6 CNC'd head, it's actually an LPE ported CNC'd head <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

Ed@LPE

Whold it be possible to share the flow numbers with the LS6 intake on the heads and a 6 inch pipe on exhaust? I think this would really show where these heads shine because moving air with the intake on is what's it's all about.

BTW: The flow numbers above are with a 3.9 bore and 28 right?

Thanks

<small>[ November 20, 2002, 07:44 PM: Message edited by: 99 Black Bird T/A ]</small>

Bink

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

BaddMood

For you guy's who seem to think I'm out of line here my original question was what was the benefit in going from the st1 to the st3 to justify 600.00. Guy's 6 cfm that is the average difference.Do you guy's really believe those numbers if so you are saying that every body else is lost you don't just pull 20 cfm out of the air the first thing you play with when trying to find the edge in flow is the valve job.

BaddMood

We could go and put bigger valves in the GM heads and get a reasonable gain in flow, but that may get you to our base (Stage I) LS6 program. Here are the #'s for our Stage I heads:

.200 153 120
.300 228 171
.400 276 205
.450 288 213
.500 294 220
.550 307 224
.600 314 225

These heads sell for $2995 outright ($1595 if you have a set of good cores).
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Direct Quote From JOSH@LPE in the other thread 'LS6 CNC Head Flow at MTI'.

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So all of the LPE heads flow almost the exact same numbers st 1' st2 and st 3 heads what is the benefit from st1 to st3 and your low lift numbers are on average 25 cfm that doesnt seem very realistic re-calibrate your flow bench and re-check your numbers.600.00 for 2 or 3 cfm please

<small>[ November 20, 2002, 12:58 PM: Message edited by: BaddMood ]</small>

Ed Potter @ LPE

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Baddmood -
It's obvious to me that you don't want to post anything that's helpful, or even true, but don't ever accuse me of fake numbers! It's you that thinks I'm the newbie that doesn't know anything, but as usual, you are wrong. If you don't believe my numbers, you're welcome to come here and watch us flow 5 sets in a row and get the same number, if that doesn't make you happy, you can buy a set, and have them flowed wherever you want, and if you don't get the same numbers, I'll give your money back + 10%!!

That offer goes for any member out there, I've been around these forums for years, and MOST of you know that I don't post anything that I can't back up.
99 black bird - yes, we use a 3.900" bore fixture, and flow at 28". The next set of LS6 heads we flow(possibly baddmood's new set!) I'll have them flowed with an intake, and exhaust pipe, and post the results.

baddmood is right about one thing, the improvement from stage 1 to stage 3 is not huge,and if you don't feel it's worth $600.00 then don't buy it. But, the stage one numbers are a very good deal for $1595.00 w/LS6 exchange.Most people see LPE as the high dollar tuner, but most of the time, our prices are in line, or better than other shops.
Ed

<small>[ November 21, 2002, 07:22 AM: Message edited by: Ed Potter @ LPE ]</small>

jleews6

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you're welcome to come here and watch us flow 5 sets in a row and get the same number, if that doesn't make you happy, you can buy a set, and have them flowed wherever you want, and if you don't get the same numbers, I'll give your money back + 10%!!

Talk about standing behind your work. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

bigSS

Those are pretty good numbers! Could you post up some number for LS1 heads for the less fortunate?

Black Sunshine/ 00SS

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Thanks for the info Ed. Why not flow the heads with the LS6 intake and a 6" exhaust tube, and post those #. Then we can see how those # compare to the GM-CNCLS6. Without that, there is no way that we can see if the additional $1800 over the GM version is justified.

I'm sure the # will drop with the intake and tube on. Correct? BTW, great job on the GM CNC heads.

xssive

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Uh, I dont know about making that offer public Ed considering the discrepancies between flow benches. If thats the case, Ill order a set today and guarantee I will get different numbers on a local flow bench. Not to be rude, but you might wanna be careful what you say because people tend to take things way too serious around here.

Ragtop 99

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> , the stage one numbers are a very good deal for $1595.00 w/LS6 exchange.Most people see LPE as the high dollar tuner, but most of the time, our prices are in line, or better than other shops.
Ed
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ed: part of the reputation for high price has to do with your website. It appears on the site that $1595 buys one ported LS1 head, not a set of ported heads. Assuming it is $1600 for the pair (w/exchange) you are indeed competitive and I would suggest making it clear on your website. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />