Beehive VS. dual springs HP differance?
Beehive VS. dual springs HP differance? An article was sayin that the Beehive spring was producing 40 more hp over the duals. I would have to say that article is nothing but a load of bull. What do you guys think of that?
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The reason they probably gained 40hp was because their dual springs were running into a harmonic that the beehives cancelled out.
Sombitch....Nice avatar....LOL
But to get back on track, a lightweight small diameter dual can provide the same high RPM stability as a beehive and also allow you to sleep at night.
Talk to the owner of a beehive sprung motor after one of his springs break.....it aint pretty as the valve only has one way to go. The duals can break also but your safety net is the other spring still remaining.
Tony
But to get back on track, a lightweight small diameter dual can provide the same high RPM stability as a beehive and also allow you to sleep at night.
Talk to the owner of a beehive sprung motor after one of his springs break.....it aint pretty as the valve only has one way to go. The duals can break also but your safety net is the other spring still remaining.
Tony
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ok..some of this was taken out of the relm of the origional post. If the only variable was the spring... a beehive would kick a double's butt all day long. Not a 40hp difference but a difference indeed. Tony...forgive me but your comments were way off track for this post. Yes we all know what can happen if a spring breaks. Notice I didn't say beehive.. I said spring. Anyone having the thought.." i'll get a dual so i'll be protected if the outer breaks" should rethink things. Yes it is less likely to have major damage with a dual if that occurs but an inner will not ever give me peace of mind. There is probably no person that stands behind the beehive design more than me. Comp has done sooo much spintron work with these springs vs. the dual.... The beehive will win hands down everytime. Tony... nothing personal. You and I have had great dealings in the past. 
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So... the point of your post was what?....nothing? I'm not trying to be rude but you asked a specific question and this post has just turned into another.." 918 springs suck thread"...It amazes me what kind of damage people can do when they don't know any better. Like I said nothing personal..just trying to give info on your orgional post and keep it on track.
ok..some of this was taken out of the relm of the origional post. If the only variable was the spring... a beehive would kick a double's butt all day long. Not a 40hp difference but a difference indeed. Tony...forgive me but your comments were way off track for this post. Yes we all know what can happen if a spring breaks. Notice I didn't say beehive.. I said spring. Anyone having the thought.." i'll get a dual so i'll be protected if the outer breaks" should rethink things. Yes it is less likely to have major damage with a dual if that occurs but an inner will not ever give me peace of mind. There is probably no person that stands behind the beehive design more than me. Comp has done sooo much spintron work with these springs vs. the dual.... The beehive will win hands down everytime. Tony... nothing personal. You and I have had great dealings in the past.
Our 8019 dual made the same power till 6700 as a Comp 918 (the beehive gold standard at the time) and made slightly more power from there till 7000 where we terminated the test.
IMO, the right dual set-up can be as effective as a beehive design and while a dual spring doesnt guarantee against engine damage (you can still tag a valve with only one spring providing less pressure), you are far less likely to drop a valve which causes catastrophic engine damage....a bent valve is far less painful on the wallet.
Tony
PS....The worst performing spring of the test was the dual Comp design with the ovate wire. They work well with stock rockers but this test was conducted with Crane Gold rockers which made valve control a little more challenging due to the added rocker weight.
So... the point of your post was what?....nothing? I'm not trying to be rude but you asked a specific question and this post has just turned into another.." 918 springs suck thread"...It amazes me what kind of damage people can do when they don't know any better. Like I said nothing personal..just trying to give info on your orgional post and keep it on track.
So... the point of your post was what?....nothing? I'm not trying to be rude but you asked a specific question and this post has just turned into another.." 918 springs suck thread"...It amazes me what kind of damage people can do when they don't know any better. Like I said nothing personal..just trying to give info on your orgional post and keep it on track.
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It's different for every engine. THere doesn't seem to be a whole lot of difference on LSX engines.
I've seen decent improvements on BBC's. Mostly because it gave them some more RPM. We also had a Super Stock that saw a big difference in his little 289 since he had another 800 RPM of valvetrain stability.. Ended up winning his class in the nationals tihs year..
I've seen decent improvements on BBC's. Mostly because it gave them some more RPM. We also had a Super Stock that saw a big difference in his little 289 since he had another 800 RPM of valvetrain stability.. Ended up winning his class in the nationals tihs year..
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HAHA. I was thinkin the same thing......
I agree 100%. I've never liked the idea of singles. Dont recommend them. I dont install them.
I cant see how, if you have good valvetrain control, you could make that much more power
just with a single spring. Harmonics aside.
But to get back on track, a lightweight small diameter dual can provide the same high RPM stability as a beehive and also allow you to sleep at night.
Talk to the owner of a beehive sprung motor after one of his springs break.....it aint pretty as the valve only has one way to go. The duals can break also but your safety net is the other spring still remaining.
Tony
Talk to the owner of a beehive sprung motor after one of his springs break.....it aint pretty as the valve only has one way to go. The duals can break also but your safety net is the other spring still remaining.
Tony
I cant see how, if you have good valvetrain control, you could make that much more power
just with a single spring. Harmonics aside.