01 Trans-Am WS6

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Like the title says, recently I have been thinking about camming my 01 T/A WS6 M6. I tried reading the sticky about cams but none of it is really clear to me....all I am reading is ".50 .26 228/228" etc. I tried understanding it, but its still over my head, so thats why I am making this thread. To start off my car is a daily driven car, so I NEED it everyday for college/work. I drive appx. 50 miles a day now with school, so I don't want something too extreme that will make my car "un-streetable" or kill my gas mileage. I do however want a nice addition in power, through the whole power band. I do not want it to start kicking in at 3500RPM....more like 1500-1600. I do want a rough, choppy, lopy idle though, as long as the car stays on its fine by me. After doing some slight searching I came across this cam:

http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=167&catid=44


Now I am not saying I am buying that one, but possibly something similar. It says it has a "smooth" idle, which I don't really want. The car does have all exhaust work done to it...LT's, ORY, LM 1, Lid, with no mufflers and no cats so I do not need a cam that performs well with cats and mufflers. Like I said, I want something for the whole RPM range, with a rough lopy idle, that is very streetable and won't destroy my mileage.

What else what I need to purchase besides the actual camshaft itself? I have read I need new springs. Do the spings generally come in a package with the cam? Do I need to order then seperate? Do the springs matter what type I get depending on the cam? Anything else I would need besides that?

I will not be performing this job myself as I have never done a camshaft job...only really ever done exhaust work. I have a friend with a cammed Formula that would most likely be doing the work for me, so don't think im gonna try and do it myself, I just don't have the knowledge (or tools) to do it.


Im sorry I had to make this thread, im sure you guys are sick of these type threads, but I honestly didn't understand the Cam sticky thread, so I am depending on you guys for help here! I appreciate any help/advice I get, thank you!

Halloran

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I ran a 224/228 comp cam .581/.588 lift 114 LSA for about a year. My car is errr I should say was a daily driver. My girlfriend would take it to the grocery store and back and didn't have any major problems driving it. It has great power under the curve and the only thing that is recommended is a little beefier valvespring setup like some comp 918s. I highly suggest it for a DD cam, it has a mean lopey idle and will turn heads where ever you go. I only lost about 5 MPG with it over my stock cam. Most my driving was highway miles. You'll probably get a hundred million suggestions on this topic about what is considered "streetable" and how it's "all about the driver" and your "driving style" etc etc. If you stay in the 22x/22x range you will retain most of your mileage and not have to change out a whole **** ton of parts to support the cam. The more mild cams seem to produce more low end torque as well which is what it sounds like you're looking for. Many of the big cams have a harder time of producing the same low end torque and they also require a whole lot more tuning to get them dialed in. I don't think anyone has anything bad to say about the mid mild-extreme 22x/22x series cams. Again, just my $.02.

01 Trans-Am WS6

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Thanks for the input, I really appreciate it.

If anyone else has any more please tell!

TXZ28LS1

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for a everyday daily driver it is tough to beat the proven performance of the 224/224 cam. its a very very mild small cam compared to the big cams that are out there. but most people eventually go bigger than a 224/224 cam. give one of our sponsors a call and they will help you out.

JosephIV

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My car is a work in progress right now and is in Virginia getting heads/cam/nitrous and tune. I went with a bigger TSP Torquer V2 cam because my car is driven once or twice a week and I can live with a bigger cam.

I'm learning a lot through all of this and my advice is to search out Predator_Z or Patrick G and have them spec out your cam. It only costs about $20-$30 more and they will get you a custom grind suited for your car. I jumped the gun and bought an off the shelf grind at a sale price, but would go the custom grind route if I had to do over again.

Sit down, figure a budget, and find a shop or person who will do the work. You can end up with $1,000 or more invested if you pay for the cam, install, and dyno tune.

Good luck!

Predator

As I was reading your post and what you want from a cam, all I could think was TR224/224 .563/.563 112LSA. I have that cam, and it's a great street/ DD cam. The 112 LSA gives it a little chop at idle, it sounds great I think, and it starts making power early, and makes good power all the way through the rev range. You can pass emissions with it if you had to too. Great all-around cam for the street type of driver and very easy to live with on a daily basis. Consider it! I'm with TXZ28LS1 all the way in this thread.

01 Trans-Am WS6

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Hmm seems the 224/224 cam is the way to go. How is that compared to the 228/228 cam? What are the HP differences I will notice? What is the idle like between those 2 (as you can tell, I really like the idle of cammed cars)

TXZ28LS1

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i think texas speed did a dyno between the 2 cams and it was only like a 8 hp difference i think. the 228/228 cam is also a good daily driver cam. what makes the cam drivable is the tuning. if your tuner can tune good, then even the super huge big cams can be drivable. my cam is a 230/227 and its a daily driver street car.

eamador11

TR224@114 is what you want...smooth, very streetable and will make excellent power.

Predator

I always thought the TR224/112 was better for an M6, and the 114 for an auto. Either way it's win/ win.

Also, the OP said he doesn't want a "smooth idle."

kingsey

Get the TSP 224R on a 112 lsa over the TR224.

The lobes and higher lift on the 224R flat out just make more power

sstony

i love my comp 224 XE-R (et and dyno# in sig). but if you do this modding, say bye bye to the nice smooth riding car you've come to love. don't get me wrong, i love the power but it just isn't the same car as it was before. just make sure going faster is really important to you. the cam package should include hardend pushrods and valve springs--i highly recommend dual valve springs....and while you are there, might as well do an under drive pulley....and the most important thing in my opinion is the tune after the install. and then you may need to upgrade your clutch if it can't hold the power.


and then..... this may be the start of a never ending process

F8L_LS1

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small cams make great overall power. my 224 makes massive amount of torque all the way to 6000rpm and i dont even have my afr 205's on yet.
i wish i had a lower lsa so it would be choppier but owell.

in your shoes i would go with the TSP 224r with the 112 lsa.

Predator

You know what, as much as I went on and on about my TR224/112, to be honest, if was going to do it over again, I'd go with the TSP 224r/112 or the Futral F2-112. I could certainly benefit from the extra lift with my Patriot .650 dual springs.

01 Trans-Am WS6

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Thanks again for all the input, it really helped alot and also helped me get an idea of the cam I want. I will probably go with the 224/224 with 112 lsa or a 228/228 with 112 lsa....now just to find a good deal on it!

01FbTaWs6

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226/230 .609/.588 on a 111+1 LSA

eamador11

oops then yes 112 is it, i skimmed through the OPs post, it was too long