My 454 setup any suggestions/guess what she'll do?
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OK so newbie post but I thought I'd post in this section what I've got going into the SS. If anyone has any recommendations on things I should change out or guesses to what it will put to the wheels go for it!
454 LME motor
11.7 to 1 comp
252/256 595/595 112 +2
Stage III TEA 317 heads Paris port 346 at 600
Comp lifters+ pushrods
Harland Rockers
42# SVO injectors
Racetronix single pump
TPIS 90/90 intake ( I know a huge bottleneck but I have to watch costs at this point)
New Text clutch and new Hydros
Ford 9 inch with 3.89 gears
I'm hoping for at the least 550rwhp with a crazy amount of torque and decent manners. It should do more but I'm trying not to get my hopes up to much.... What do you guys think?
454 LME motor
11.7 to 1 comp
252/256 595/595 112 +2
Stage III TEA 317 heads Paris port 346 at 600
Comp lifters+ pushrods
Harland Rockers
42# SVO injectors
Racetronix single pump
TPIS 90/90 intake ( I know a huge bottleneck but I have to watch costs at this point)
New Text clutch and new Hydros
Ford 9 inch with 3.89 gears
I'm hoping for at the least 550rwhp with a crazy amount of torque and decent manners. It should do more but I'm trying not to get my hopes up to much.... What do you guys think?
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I would go with at least a .625 lift. Your going to suffer a little on hp, but I think you should still be up there with the big duration. 475/525 if I were to put some money on it. But then again, i'm an idiot. lol.
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Originally Posted by 93TAWicked1
475 would be pretty lame considering my 388 did that on a mustang dyno.. Patrick G spec'd out the cam, I was pretty suprised by the lift numbers myself.
535rwtq would be nice though....I guess with Jantzer's guess I could pull a big boat...
535rwtq would be nice though....I guess with Jantzer's guess I could pull a big boat...
Does the cam have aggresive lobes such as xe-r? My guess is assuming you have not too aggressive lobes. If they are more agressive, more air, more hp. If I would of spec'd out a cam with a smaller lift I would of gone with aggressive lobes. Mabey that's what Patrick G. did.
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The Reggie Jackson engine made 640 crank HP with not much of a cam. Now that's with a good set of heads and intake. If your low lift flow numbers look good then you should be o.k. In this case the cam seems to be spec'ed to your head intake combo. It should pull some good numbers and make a fine driver with gobs of torque. I say you'll meet your goal. This is an interesting combo for sure. It may be the ticket to some big numbers. My Z "only" has 470 ft. lbs. @3132 lbs. with a T-56 and it's a gorilla so you should enjoy that new motor.
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Originally Posted by 93TAWicked1
OK so newbie post but I thought I'd post in this section what I've got going into the SS. If anyone has any recommendations on things I should change out or guesses to what it will put to the wheels go for it!
454 LME motor
11.7 to 1 comp
252/256 595/595 112 +2
Stage III TEA 317 heads Paris port 346 at 600
Comp lifters+ pushrods
Harland Rockers
42# SVO injectors
Racetronix single pump
TPIS 90/90 intake ( I know a huge bottleneck but I have to watch costs at this point)
New Text clutch and new Hydros
Ford 9 inch with 3.89 gears
I'm hoping for at the least 550rwhp with a crazy amount of torque and decent manners. It should do more but I'm trying not to get my hopes up to much.... What do you guys think?
454 LME motor
11.7 to 1 comp
252/256 595/595 112 +2
Stage III TEA 317 heads Paris port 346 at 600
Comp lifters+ pushrods
Harland Rockers
42# SVO injectors
Racetronix single pump
TPIS 90/90 intake ( I know a huge bottleneck but I have to watch costs at this point)
New Text clutch and new Hydros
Ford 9 inch with 3.89 gears
I'm hoping for at the least 550rwhp with a crazy amount of torque and decent manners. It should do more but I'm trying not to get my hopes up to much.... What do you guys think?
Whats with the small lift?
If it doesn't go at least 550 RWHP, just take the rag that got stuck in the TB out and you'll be good to go.
Yup, the intake will leave you with about a 408ci-418ci engine, not a 454ci. Wasted cubes you can't use, but when you get some more cash to upgrade the intake and heads, than you'll be well over 600 RWHP.
Good luck with it man.
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Originally Posted by 93TAWicked1
475 would be pretty lame considering my 388 did that on a mustang dyno.. Patrick G spec'd out the cam, I was pretty suprised by the lift numbers myself.
535rwtq would be nice though....I guess with Jantzer's guess I could pull a big boat...
535rwtq would be nice though....I guess with Jantzer's guess I could pull a big boat...
Here is a cam spec'd out by patric g and the results, which are low for the combo.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/735151-new-402-l92-results.html
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Originally Posted by slow14U
Here is a cam spec'd out by patric g and the results, which are low for the combo.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=735151
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=735151
Byran at LME after talking to me suggested this cam as a good choice as well. Never really know till you get it on there and tuned!
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Originally Posted by slow14U
Does the cam have aggresive lobes such as xe-r? My guess is assuming you have not too aggressive lobes. If they are more agressive, more air, more hp. If I would of spec'd out a cam with a smaller lift I would of gone with aggressive lobes. Mabey that's what Patrick G. did.
It should be an interesting combo to say the least though. It seems a little restrictive for the cubes, but it should make some really good power. I look forward to seeing the results out of this one.
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Originally Posted by Beaflag VonRathburg
I'm pretty sure Patrick G specs most of his cams from Cam Motion Grinds. I have a list of the comp cams lobes and the only lobe they have in those durations are LSK and the lifts don't correspond. I'm pretty sure though if the lift is like that they aren't exactly the nastiest lobes unless cam motions are completely different.
It should be an interesting combo to say the least though. It seems a little restrictive for the cubes, but it should make some really good power. I look forward to seeing the results out of this one.
It should be an interesting combo to say the least though. It seems a little restrictive for the cubes, but it should make some really good power. I look forward to seeing the results out of this one.
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Originally Posted by Beaflag VonRathburg
I'm pretty sure Patrick G specs most of his cams from Cam Motion Grinds. I have a list of the comp cams lobes and the only lobe they have in those durations are LSK and the lifts don't correspond. I'm pretty sure though if the lift is like that they aren't exactly the nastiest lobes unless cam motions are completely different.
It should be an interesting combo to say the least though. It seems a little restrictive for the cubes, but it should make some really good power. I look forward to seeing the results out of this one.
It should be an interesting combo to say the least though. It seems a little restrictive for the cubes, but it should make some really good power. I look forward to seeing the results out of this one.
Ryne is correct. They are comp cam lobes for big cubes. Here are the lobes:
3660R / Ex 3662R HR112LS +2
I'm no expert by any means and the cam was design with these heads in mind.
Bare LQ9 cores set up with 2.10" intake valve and a stock size 1.57" exhaust valve. Chamber size is 69cc, with .018 or so of a deck to get that.
The ports are done by Paris from SAM... they are a update of the "Judson Massengil" port. I'll call them the Paris port. 234cc or so on the intake.
The flow: I dont know the bench, it was whatever TEA uses. 1 5/8" pipe on the exhaust. Clay radius on the intake. 4.125" bore.
The flow numbers:
----------Intake----Exhaust
.100------72--------52
.200------151-------126
.300------224-------187
.400------274-------241
.500------318-------260
.550------335-------265
.600------346-------267
I don't imagine I will be dishing out 3k on ported LS7's anytime soon especially since I don't see a big market for my heads. So that leaves me looking at a ported FAST 90 setup at some point and really that is about it. The TPIS will be on there probably until next winter.
A cam swap is an afternoon affair so at that time if I need to get something more aggressive I can do so.
I do understand its going to be restricted a bit for the cubes...my initial plan was for a resleeve LS2 427, but really for the exact same price I'm getting a 454 LSX and don't have to go to bed every night worrying about dropping a sleeve the next day. Figure at worst even restricted up top the extra cubes will give me a bit more down low.
The cam does seem conservative, but its along the lines with what I have now which drives very nice. This car should be so driver friendly my mom could take it to the store. I've had cars that were not and I'm sure I will again but this project is more about "having it all"
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Interestingly enough the friend of mine who bought my SOM WS6 is doing an all out 455 with ported LS7 top end, HUGE cam 255/266 670/680 113 +1 or something like that. I'll be interested to see how much different the cars are when down in August!
Thanks for the feedback! I'm getting pretty excited! Cam is done and on its way to LME now!
Bobby
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Originally Posted by Ryne @ CMS
you not only need to look at the ls1 designated lobes in the comp catalog, but other lobes as well ie: big block lobes, the cam i speced for my personal motor are actually very aggressive hydraulic Big block lobes, but they can be ground a ls1 core.