Weiand Street Warrior Intake Independent Engine Dyno Testing By Mast Motorsports
#41
It was most likely due to the fact that the LS2 (and LS3) come with intakes with a 90mm throttle body opening and the LS6 intake doesn't have that maybe?
#45
I'm like some of the other members, I'd like to be able to follow the lines of each. It took a while to tell that on the top end the stock manifold outperforms the Starr Manifold based on each's curve shape prior to crossing.
Now since this is 3rd party independent testing, I'd like to see what AFR looks like on all the runs and to know if they did a bolt on with or without tuning for best results with each. Maybe they did state that, and I missed it.
Sure would like see what the Starr would do on top end with a larger TB too.
Now since this is 3rd party independent testing, I'd like to see what AFR looks like on all the runs and to know if they did a bolt on with or without tuning for best results with each. Maybe they did state that, and I missed it.
Sure would like see what the Starr would do on top end with a larger TB too.
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I'm sure they'll serve a purpose, but overall, I'm not impressed.
It sure hasn't bridged the gap for the L92 guys. The last thing Kevin's car needs is more low end/mid range torque. I wanna see a manifold that performs like a FAST on a L92 headed stroker. Most of the L92 stroker crowd would give up a few mid range foot pounds for an extended top end.
Sorry to poo poo. Doesn't take away from the quality R&D by Mast though.
It sure hasn't bridged the gap for the L92 guys. The last thing Kevin's car needs is more low end/mid range torque. I wanna see a manifold that performs like a FAST on a L92 headed stroker. Most of the L92 stroker crowd would give up a few mid range foot pounds for an extended top end.
Sorry to poo poo. Doesn't take away from the quality R&D by Mast though.
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I'm sure they'll serve a purpose, but overall, I'm not impressed.
It sure hasn't bridged the gap for the L92 guys. The last thing Kevin's car needs is more low end/mid range torque. I wanna see a manifold that performs like a FAST on a L92 headed stroker. Most of the L92 stroker crowd would give up a few mid range foot pounds for an extended top end.
Sorry to poo poo. Doesn't take away from the quality R&D by Mast though.
It sure hasn't bridged the gap for the L92 guys. The last thing Kevin's car needs is more low end/mid range torque. I wanna see a manifold that performs like a FAST on a L92 headed stroker. Most of the L92 stroker crowd would give up a few mid range foot pounds for an extended top end.
Sorry to poo poo. Doesn't take away from the quality R&D by Mast though.
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First and foremost, thank you to Mast for doing this. Yeah, a lot of us would like to see this manifold against its direct aftermarket competitor (the FAST) to see what it has to offer versus the competition, but overall it looks like this manifold hit the design point they were after.
#51
Not sure if it the areas that are accessible with a Dremel/die grinder such as the throttle body opening and cylinder head ports can still be ported or not though (like the factory intakes can be), it does have that tuned Formula 1 style trumpet design going on in there.
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They advertised big gains over the LS6 yet they test it against a different intake. It looks like this one and a lS6 will be a close call and The FAST and Typhoon 96 will still be a step ahead of it. The Weiand takes a nap after 5000RPMs.
#53
Yep. Should make a good piece for mild combos.
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I thought I read that the ls2 intake was actually worse than the ls1 intake in terms of power, or maybe it falls in between the ls1 and ls6 intakes.
Just like everyone else, I want to see what it does in a car with a set of heads and cam compared to the FAST 9x (90 or 92mm).
Just like everyone else, I want to see what it does in a car with a set of heads and cam compared to the FAST 9x (90 or 92mm).
#56
I'm thinking that an LS6 intake with a 90mm throttle body opening grafted onto it (like TPIS used to do (they had an 80x90 oval version too I think) before the FAST intakes came out) would still exceed the performance of the stock LS2 intake.
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^^I know i'm sold on it when it comes out. Ever since i went to SEMA in 2003
with Tommy and Joe we gave the FAST i long hard look and there were isssues about
it that Tom and Joe didn't like. Even today the FI guys gain nothing from running a FAST.
I'm hoping the Warrior takes off...i like the one piece design...no gasket to leak and
they use a better material that will eliminate cracks.
I'm sending you a PM Joel.
with Tommy and Joe we gave the FAST i long hard look and there were isssues about
it that Tom and Joe didn't like. Even today the FI guys gain nothing from running a FAST.
I'm hoping the Warrior takes off...i like the one piece design...no gasket to leak and
they use a better material that will eliminate cracks.
I'm sending you a PM Joel.
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Looks like it may be a good addition for a bolt-on LS3, athough I wonder how it will do on a car with headers given the big midrange increase LG's already produce. Ported FAST still looks like the way to go on an LS2 if you have the $$, although this is ok as cheaper alternative.
If I had a Z06, I would not put on a manifold that reduces power from 6000 - 7000 rpm. That's precisely where the Z06 needs help.
If I had a Z06, I would not put on a manifold that reduces power from 6000 - 7000 rpm. That's precisely where the Z06 needs help.
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Well, the results seem to mirror the claims, so we'll simply have to wait for them to be released and see how they compare to LS1/6 manifolds.
I find it amusing that people are still comparing them to a FAST - they are intended for different purposes and the advertising and sales spiel for the Weiand/Starr manifold NEVER said anything about a huge 6k+ rpm increase. They were designed for and are intended to give a good midrange boost for STREET cars. I cannot see too many people sitting at 6k+ all day long on the street. I can, however, see people taking advantage of the benefit of a manifold that will improve their car between 3-6000rpm.
I reckon these things are going to run out the door.
Cheers,
Macca
I find it amusing that people are still comparing them to a FAST - they are intended for different purposes and the advertising and sales spiel for the Weiand/Starr manifold NEVER said anything about a huge 6k+ rpm increase. They were designed for and are intended to give a good midrange boost for STREET cars. I cannot see too many people sitting at 6k+ all day long on the street. I can, however, see people taking advantage of the benefit of a manifold that will improve their car between 3-6000rpm.
I reckon these things are going to run out the door.
Cheers,
Macca