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10-09-2009, 10:01 AM
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This is the stupidest thing I have heard yet. So your gonna drop $3k+ on a built short block & then tear it down, potientially voiding any type of warranty from the motor builder just to double check their work? Why not just spend the $3k on parts & build your own damn motor then??
When people buy a assembled short block from a company they expect it done right. Period. Yes, mistakes can happen & if they do it's the shops responsibility to help the customer correct it. NO ONE should have to tear down a brand new short block & double check all the tolerances. The shop selling the motor should have built it properly from square one. It should not be a customers responsibility to make sure everything is within spec.
WTF is the point of people offering complete short blocks if they are building them like ****? Whats the point if every customer is expected to tear it down & double check the work he just paid to be done. I'd expect to double, hell triple check my own work & tolerances if I'm building myself, but not if I'm ordering a ASSEMBLED engine advertised as ready to drop in.
Having to double check tolerances on a brand new freshly built engine supposedly done by professionals is unacceptable.
When people buy a assembled short block from a company they expect it done right. Period. Yes, mistakes can happen & if they do it's the shops responsibility to help the customer correct it. NO ONE should have to tear down a brand new short block & double check all the tolerances. The shop selling the motor should have built it properly from square one. It should not be a customers responsibility to make sure everything is within spec.
WTF is the point of people offering complete short blocks if they are building them like ****? Whats the point if every customer is expected to tear it down & double check the work he just paid to be done. I'd expect to double, hell triple check my own work & tolerances if I'm building myself, but not if I'm ordering a ASSEMBLED engine advertised as ready to drop in.
Having to double check tolerances on a brand new freshly built engine supposedly done by professionals is unacceptable.
Thank you Sir. Couldn't have said it any better myself.
Last edited by ls 2 goat; 10-09-2009 at 11:51 AM.
10-09-2009, 10:02 AM
#82
This is the stupidest thing I have heard yet. So your gonna drop $3k+ on a built short block & then tear it down, potientially voiding any type of warranty from the motor builder just to double check their work? Why not just spend the $3k on parts & build your own damn motor then??
When people buy a assembled short block from a company they expect it done right. Period. Yes, mistakes can happen & if they do it's the shops responsibility to help the customer correct it. NO ONE should have to tear down a brand new short block & double check all the tolerances. The shop selling the motor should have built it properly from square one. It should not be a customers responsibility to make sure everything is within spec.
WTF is the point of people offering complete short blocks if they are building them like ****? Whats the point if every customer is expected to tear it down & double check the work he just paid to be done. I'd expect to double, hell triple check my own work & tolerances if I'm building myself, but not if I'm ordering a ASSEMBLED engine advertised as ready to drop in.
Having to double check tolerances on a brand new freshly built engine supposedly done by professionals is unacceptable.
When people buy a assembled short block from a company they expect it done right. Period. Yes, mistakes can happen & if they do it's the shops responsibility to help the customer correct it. NO ONE should have to tear down a brand new short block & double check all the tolerances. The shop selling the motor should have built it properly from square one. It should not be a customers responsibility to make sure everything is within spec.
WTF is the point of people offering complete short blocks if they are building them like ****? Whats the point if every customer is expected to tear it down & double check the work he just paid to be done. I'd expect to double, hell triple check my own work & tolerances if I'm building myself, but not if I'm ordering a ASSEMBLED engine advertised as ready to drop in.
Having to double check tolerances on a brand new freshly built engine supposedly done by professionals is unacceptable.
10-09-2009, 10:06 AM
#83
im sorry but i have never ever heard of anyone buying a short block and just throwing it in. If i wanted to certify my motor lasting forever i would sure as hell check all specs on considering its a 2 hour procedure.
10-09-2009, 10:08 AM
#84
sigh people being lazy is just ridiculous. So you mean to tell me you would rather buy a motor, drop it in, then potentially have an issue later on that cant be proven as shop error instead of spend 2 hours of your god damn life inspecting the short block? Please. How lazy can one person get? I take it you have never built a short block before because you would know how easy it is to just double check things. By the way. Schwankes deal on there 415 for 3200 is insane. It would cost you more then that for all parts and machining doing it yourself. Trust me i know. So to be that ignorant and not double check specs with a micrometer is just plain lazy.
10-09-2009, 10:09 AM
#85
sigh people being lazy is just ridiculous. So you mean to tell me you would rather buy a motor, drop it in, then potentially have an issue later on that cant be proven as shop error instead of spend 2 hours of your god damn life inspecting the short block? Please. How lazy can one person get? I take it you have never built a short block before because you would know how easy it is to just double check things. By the way. Schwankes deal on there 415 for 3200 is insane. It would cost you more then that for all parts and machining doing it yourself. Trust me i know. So to be that ignorant and not double check specs with a micrometer is just plain lazy.
If I'm gonna have to double check everything I'm gonna save some money & build the damn thing myself & document all tolerances/clearances throughout the build.
Bottom line point blank is NO customer should have to go thru & check out a assembled short block from a professional shop. PERIOD. It doesnt come down to a lazy customer as you attempt to state. It comes down to shops doin their ****** job right & not selling **** to their customers.
of the said company is all I can figure??
10-09-2009, 10:10 AM
#87
no tear me a new *******. Please i insist on hearing your words of wisdom towards me since it sounds like you know so much about engine building. Tell me how much it costs to build your own short block. If you would like i can put together a list of buying parts and paying to have everything balanced and machined properly and it will dwarf the price of the sponsors costs for there short blocks and its not even assembled.
10-09-2009, 10:13 AM
#89
no tear me a new *******. Please i insist on hearing your words of wisdom towards me since it sounds like you know so much about engine building. Tell me how much it costs to build your own short block. If you would like i can put together a list of buying parts and paying to have everything balanced and machined properly and it will dwarf the price of the sponsors costs for there short blocks and its not even assembled.
10-09-2009, 10:18 AM
#90
block - $800
Piston Kit - $650
Eagle 4 inch crank - $900
Rods - $500 (w/ 2000 bolts)
Bearings $300
Balancing - $200-300
Boring - $150-300
Sonic Testing to make sure block can be bored out enough - $150
God damn thats already $700 more then the short block costs and its not even assembled yet. Yea i think i can spend 2 hours of my life double checking the work. If you people are that lazy and ignorant to save a **** load of money not building it on your own and not re check specs just to certify everything is in order then i will rest my case here.
Piston Kit - $650
Eagle 4 inch crank - $900
Rods - $500 (w/ 2000 bolts)
Bearings $300
Balancing - $200-300
Boring - $150-300
Sonic Testing to make sure block can be bored out enough - $150
God damn thats already $700 more then the short block costs and its not even assembled yet. Yea i think i can spend 2 hours of my life double checking the work. If you people are that lazy and ignorant to save a **** load of money not building it on your own and not re check specs just to certify everything is in order then i will rest my case here.
10-09-2009, 10:19 AM
#91
no tear me a new *******. Please i insist on hearing your words of wisdom towards me since it sounds like you know so much about engine building. Tell me how much it costs to build your own short block. If you would like i can put together a list of buying parts and paying to have everything balanced and machined properly and it will dwarf the price of the sponsors costs for there short blocks and its not even assembled.
And for the record it doesnt dwarf the cost of a built engine. Only if this particular sponsor is the only pricing you have ever seen. Yea, they have awsome pricing but so far I have yet to see it prove it's worth.
Look around at others short block offers, see the differences in price. Now look at the upgrade this sponsor offers. Once you upgrade to the same parts others offer the price is about the same.
And thst price is the same as someone can build one themselves if they have the abillity. Most people buy assembled cause they dont have the ability or just want a ready to drop in short block built by professionals.
10-09-2009, 10:22 AM
#92
Im buying an engine from them because it costs a good amount money less to then to build on your own. Your getting a great deal from not just them but from any sponsor. Im shocked how people really cant see my point of view on this. Saving over 1k is definately worth 2 hours of my life rechecking a couple clearances.
10-09-2009, 10:25 AM
#93
Well it also appears you get what you pay for as well.
And for the record it doesnt dwarf the cost of a built engine. Only if this particular sponsor is the only pricing you have ever seen. Yea, they have awsome pricing but so far I have yet to see it prove it's worth.
Look around at others short block offers, see the differences in price. Now look at the upgrade this sponsor offers. Once you upgrade to the same parts others offer the price is about the same.
And thst price is the same as someone can build one themselves if they have the abillity. Most people buy assembled cause they dont have the ability or just want a ready to drop in short block built by professionals.
And for the record it doesnt dwarf the cost of a built engine. Only if this particular sponsor is the only pricing you have ever seen. Yea, they have awsome pricing but so far I have yet to see it prove it's worth.
Look around at others short block offers, see the differences in price. Now look at the upgrade this sponsor offers. Once you upgrade to the same parts others offer the price is about the same.
And thst price is the same as someone can build one themselves if they have the abillity. Most people buy assembled cause they dont have the ability or just want a ready to drop in short block built by professionals.
10-09-2009, 10:27 AM
#94
block - $800
Piston Kit - $650
Eagle 4 inch crank - $900
Rods - $500 (w/ 2000 bolts)
Bearings $300
Balancing - $200-300
Boring - $150-300
Sonic Testing to make sure block can be bored out enough - $150
God damn thats already $700 more then the short block costs and its not even assembled yet. Yea i think i can spend 2 hours of my life double checking the work. If you people are that lazy and ignorant to save a **** load of money not building it on your own and not re check specs just to certify everything is in order then i will rest my case here.
Piston Kit - $650
Eagle 4 inch crank - $900
Rods - $500 (w/ 2000 bolts)
Bearings $300
Balancing - $200-300
Boring - $150-300
Sonic Testing to make sure block can be bored out enough - $150
God damn thats already $700 more then the short block costs and its not even assembled yet. Yea i think i can spend 2 hours of my life double checking the work. If you people are that lazy and ignorant to save a **** load of money not building it on your own and not re check specs just to certify everything is in order then i will rest my case here.
You wanna buy a budget motor, more power to you. If I'm gonna drop coin on a motor build I'm buyin top of the line components. Like I said you get what you pay for.
10-09-2009, 10:28 AM
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10-09-2009, 10:33 AM
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Really why do sponsors even sell shortblocks? They must all be idiots right. According to this kid all you have to do is buy your components, sleep at a holiday inn express, and the next morning you're an engine builder.....
10-09-2009, 10:36 AM
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I have build may engines for racing and if I sell you a unit and you remove parts I put on like bearing caps or mains I would voild the warrenty. Because I don't know if you put it back togehter right or not. Check all you want but remove or tighten any part and I would not stand behind it at all. Even if you removed a cover..what happens if it leaks oil is that may fault...you removed the cover. I am not knocking anyone but come on you pay for short block you should not need to check piston bore or bearings or torque. my .02
10-09-2009, 10:37 AM
#98
In the process of doing that now seeing as how I got fucked by 2 current sponsors. Its expensive as all hell but its going to be well worth it. Also why by a short block to tear it down and check everything. If engine building/machining is all a company does, shouldn't they be damn good at it? Come on man your arguement doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Oh and how many motors have you put together???? Please do tell master bulider.
Oh and how many motors have you put together???? Please do tell master bulider.
10-09-2009, 10:42 AM
#99
What BLOCK are u referring to? Im comparing the compenents listed in there advertisement for a 415 ci short block for 3200. I listed the price of every part that come in there build and just parts alone totals more then a mailed to your door short block.
10-09-2009, 10:47 AM
#100
Sorry for the name calling dude. **** just gets me pissed. Last question for you. Did you take your car apart after you bought it and verify everything? How bout your TV? Better yet Computer? Wanna make sure its got the intel processor and **** in there right? I mean the sticker on the outside and Company backing means nothing right?