Cam Motion Low Lash Solid roller FRH LS3 ported heads 542whp/484wtq
#161
It will need a dual taper. I run dual tapers on all of our LLSR builds with stock cylinder heads and most aftermarket heads.
Unless it's an All Pro, Mast or has the passage clearanced or a bronze sleeve installed for larger push rods and an off set lifter is utilized, you'll be hard pressed to fit anything larger than a 3/8" push rod.
One thing that chaffs my hind end about LS cylinder heads is that these cylinder head designers that are manufacturing LS cylinder heads don't seem to care about push rod rigidity or strength. They put these little wimpy push rod passages in these heads and it doesn't allow for a real push rod to be utilized.
Unless it's an All Pro, Mast or has the passage clearanced or a bronze sleeve installed for larger push rods and an off set lifter is utilized, you'll be hard pressed to fit anything larger than a 3/8" push rod.
One thing that chaffs my hind end about LS cylinder heads is that these cylinder head designers that are manufacturing LS cylinder heads don't seem to care about push rod rigidity or strength. They put these little wimpy push rod passages in these heads and it doesn't allow for a real push rod to be utilized.
#162
I could've done that, but I didn't have either of my calipers with me. (I recently moved). I had enough for 1 full turn down on the Jesels, but couldn't fit the pushrod with them backed all the way off. I knew it wouldn't be exact, but I wasn't expecting it to be off as much as it was. Oh well. Next time I'll make the 1 1/2 hour drive to pick up my remaining tools just to be sure.
#166
Shouldn't need a dual taper on the 11/32 though correct? I understand on the 3/8's. I was running 5/16 .120 pushrods with the last rockers. In a pinch I got some 5/16 .080 pushrods, but they ended up being too long. I think these 11/32 will work out nicely. Especially considering the mild spring pressure of the BTR 660 kit.
#167
It seems core shift makes it hard to determine this before hand, so I always go with a dual taper for good measure.
#168
Shouldn't need a dual taper on the 11/32 though correct? I understand on the 3/8's. I was running 5/16 .120 pushrods with the last rockers. In a pinch I got some 5/16 .080 pushrods, but they ended up being too long. I think these 11/32 will work out nicely. Especially considering the mild spring pressure of the BTR 660 kit.
I'd go 3/8 dual taper 80 thou as a minimum, ideally 100+
#169
It's ok. I was pretty sure that's what you were referring to. I just wanted to make sure you didn't have any issued with 11/32 pushrods.
#170
Would the Manton Series 5, PN 515-145 3/8>11/32 dual taper .145 wall be overkill for this @$29? I'm hoping yes due to the cost... $500 in pushrods seems excessive What's a good compromise between cost & tensile strength?
http://mantonpushrods.com/pushrod-info/pushrod-series/
http://www.mantonpushrods.com/Images...rice_4_Web.pdf
What sort of tips do you need to mate with Morel lifters and the Jesesl/T&D rockers?
http://mantonpushrods.com/wordpress/...sheet_3_25.pdf
http://mantonpushrods.com/pushrod-info/pushrod-series/
http://www.mantonpushrods.com/Images...rice_4_Web.pdf
What sort of tips do you need to mate with Morel lifters and the Jesesl/T&D rockers?
http://mantonpushrods.com/wordpress/...sheet_3_25.pdf
#172
Would the Manton Series 5, PN 515-145 3/8>11/32 dual taper .145 wall be overkill for this @$29? I'm hoping yes due to the cost... $500 in pushrods seems excessive What's a good compromise between cost & tensile strength?
http://mantonpushrods.com/pushrod-info/pushrod-series/
http://www.mantonpushrods.com/Images...rice_4_Web.pdf
What sort of tips do you need to mate with Morel lifters and the Jesesl/T&D rockers?
http://mantonpushrods.com/wordpress/...sheet_3_25.pdf
http://mantonpushrods.com/pushrod-info/pushrod-series/
http://www.mantonpushrods.com/Images...rice_4_Web.pdf
What sort of tips do you need to mate with Morel lifters and the Jesesl/T&D rockers?
http://mantonpushrods.com/wordpress/...sheet_3_25.pdf
We sell 3/8" dual taper 5/16" .135" wall Trends for 250.00 shipped.
No special tips are needed, but tool steel is a good option for a stronger tip.
#173
Would the Manton Series 5, PN 515-145 3/8>11/32 dual taper .145 wall be overkill for this @$29? I'm hoping yes due to the cost... $500 in pushrods seems excessive What's a good compromise between cost & tensile strength?
http://mantonpushrods.com/pushrod-info/pushrod-series/
http://www.mantonpushrods.com/Images...rice_4_Web.pdf
What sort of tips do you need to mate with Morel lifters and the Jesesl/T&D rockers?
http://mantonpushrods.com/wordpress/...sheet_3_25.pdf
http://mantonpushrods.com/pushrod-info/pushrod-series/
http://www.mantonpushrods.com/Images...rice_4_Web.pdf
What sort of tips do you need to mate with Morel lifters and the Jesesl/T&D rockers?
http://mantonpushrods.com/wordpress/...sheet_3_25.pdf
This is vs. a 5/16" .080" pushrod
11/32”, 0.120” wall: 59% greater
3/8”, 0.080” wall: 92% greater
3/8”, 0.135” wall: 122% greater
3/8”-5/16”, 0.080” wall, double tapered: 72% greater
3/8”-5/16”, 0.135” wall, double tapered: 97% greater
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It really depends on spring pressure and cam really. I'm only running around 400lbs of spring open, and my lash is around .007 hot. You always want to run the biggest pushrod you can. The bigger the pushrod, the better the load spread.
I wasn't very worried with my setup and the 5/16 .120. I was however a little concerned about running the 5/16 .080, albeit that was temporary. From vettenuts calculation, you can see how much better it is jumping up to just a 11/32 pushrod. Clearly for us, the 3/8-5/16 dual taper .135 would be best, but again, I'm confident the 11/32 will serve me well.
As far as the tip for the Jesels, the adjuster nut on the Jesels is tool steel, so I matched the tip with just that, tool steel.
#174
Also Martin, I'm sorry it didn't cross my mind to call you to see about getting me some pushrods. I completely forgot about trend in the rush of trying to get something out here by this friday. There's a few good guys in the community that I like dealing with. Kip at Cam Motion and yourself top that list.
#175
This is absurd. I thought for sure these new rockers wold clear the valve covers for sure, but once again, they hit the valve covers. I don't think it's as bad, but I could still hear and see then hitting it so I shut the car off.
I'm so angry right now I just had to walk away for the night. Maybe it's just the combination of the spdc valve covers and the jesels. I don't know. Unfortunately I can't grind the valve covers because they're carbon fiber. Anyone want a camaro?
I'm so angry right now I just had to walk away for the night. Maybe it's just the combination of the spdc valve covers and the jesels. I don't know. Unfortunately I can't grind the valve covers because they're carbon fiber. Anyone want a camaro?
#178