Generation IV Internal Engine 2005-2014 LS2 | LS3 | LS7 | L92 | LS9

Cathedral vs ls3 test on a 408

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 08:20 AM
  #1  
big hammer's Avatar
Thread Starter
10 Second Club
15 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,427
Likes: 226
From: over dere
Default Cathedral vs ls3 test on a 408

Interesting results


Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 08:30 AM
  #2  
Tuskyz28's Avatar
TECH Veteran
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,893
Likes: 703
From: Mississippi
Default

Looks like the boost LOL from the LS3 heads kick in at 4000 rpm.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 09:48 AM
  #3  
G Atsma's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 22,298
Likes: 3,619
From: Central Cal.
Default

Kinda what most of us have believed; cathedrals good on the low end/midrange, but watch the big ports take over from there! Good info Hammer! Thanks!
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 10:28 AM
  #4  
KCS's Avatar
KCS
Moderator
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 8,859
Likes: 323
From: Conroe, TX
Default

That cam is 239/255 @ .050" specifically designed for rectangle ports. I wonder if it hindered the 317 heads.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 10:50 AM
  #5  
NEstyle's Avatar
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 264
Likes: 21
Default

Originally Posted by KCS
That cam is 239/255 @ .050" specifically designed for rectangle ports. I wonder if it hindered the 317 heads.
I'm with you. It's kind of a pointless test unless the cams are also switched. That being said, I bet the LS3 heads and this cam still make more power than the 317s with an appropriate cam.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 11:30 AM
  #6  
Tuskyz28's Avatar
TECH Veteran
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,893
Likes: 703
From: Mississippi
Default

Just now seeing they only use one cam. That's way too much of a split for a 317 head. Maybe a 239/245 woiuldve been more optimal for the cathedral heads.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 11:34 AM
  #7  
KCS's Avatar
KCS
Moderator
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 8,859
Likes: 323
From: Conroe, TX
Default

Originally Posted by NEstyle
I'm with you. It's kind of a pointless test unless the cams are also switched. That being said, I bet the LS3 heads and this cam still make more power than the 317s with an appropriate cam.
Yeah surely, the LS3 is larger and better suited for the airflow demands of a 408ci shortblock. The smaller intake port in the 317's needs more intake duration IMO, so I suspect that helped widen the gap between the two.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 11:39 AM
  #8  
big hammer's Avatar
Thread Starter
10 Second Club
15 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,427
Likes: 226
From: over dere
Default

The spilt isn't gonna hurt it
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-1

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-5

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-7

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-8

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 11:47 AM
  #9  
Tuskyz28's Avatar
TECH Veteran
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,893
Likes: 703
From: Mississippi
Default



Remember this article in car craft a couple years back....
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 11:54 AM
  #10  
big hammer's Avatar
Thread Starter
10 Second Club
15 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,427
Likes: 226
From: over dere
Default

Crazy how stock Ls3's are almost as good as crazy expensive cathedrals at a fraction of the price
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 11:59 AM
  #11  
SoFla01SSLookinstok's Avatar
11 Second Club
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,541
Likes: 15
From: South Florida
Default

Ham makes threads like this to make himself feel bettr. Stoopid compare. A head that cant flow near 300cfm to a big square port on a 408ci stroker??

Put both those heads on a 4.8 or 5.3 w/ a cam speccd for the cath heads. Hmmm, motor more suited to smaller heads along with cam. 180 from this test.

Ham knows in his heart which head is always better.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 12:03 PM
  #12  
spanks13's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,423
Likes: 619
Default

Why is this test still being done in 2017 lol

Isn't there a story from 2007 doing the same thing?

It must be the Russian propaganda machine.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 12:04 PM
  #13  
spanks13's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,423
Likes: 619
Default

Originally Posted by SoFla01SSLookinstok
Ham makes threads like this to make himself feel bettr. Stoopid compare. A head that cant flow near 300cfm to a big square port on a 408ci stroker??

Put both those heads on a 4.8 or 5.3 w/ a cam speccd for the cath heads. Hmmm, motor more suited to smaller heads along with cam. 180 from this test.

Ham knows in his heart which head is always better.
Both curves peaked at the same RPM and rolled over at the same point all I hear are excuses
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 12:08 PM
  #14  
SoFla01SSLookinstok's Avatar
11 Second Club
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,541
Likes: 15
From: South Florida
Default

Originally Posted by spanks13
Both curves peaked at the same RPM and rolled over at the same point all I hear are excuses
Not making excuses man. Just saying it's a stoopid compare. All you would have to do is ask the question & I bet 99% of people would know which head would make more power.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 12:15 PM
  #15  
KCS's Avatar
KCS
Moderator
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 8,859
Likes: 323
From: Conroe, TX
Default

Originally Posted by big hammer
Crazy how stock Ls3's are almost as good as crazy expensive cathedrals at a fraction of the price
It's only crazy if you don't understand how engines work.
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 12:26 PM
  #16  
big hammer's Avatar
Thread Starter
10 Second Club
15 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,427
Likes: 226
From: over dere
Default

Originally Posted by KCS
It's only crazy if you don't understand how engines work.
Can you explain it to me please?
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 12:31 PM
  #17  
big hammer's Avatar
Thread Starter
10 Second Club
15 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,427
Likes: 226
From: over dere
Default

Originally Posted by SoFla01SSLookinstok
Ham makes threads like this to make himself feel bettr. Stoopid compare. A head that cant flow near 300cfm to a big square port on a 408ci stroker??

Put both those heads on a 4.8 or 5.3 w/ a cam speccd for the cath heads. Hmmm, motor more suited to smaller heads along with cam. 180 from this test.

Ham knows in his heart which head is always better.
What I find interesting is the Ls3's made more torque. Thoughts?
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 12:35 PM
  #18  
SoFla01SSLookinstok's Avatar
11 Second Club
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,541
Likes: 15
From: South Florida
Default

Originally Posted by big hammer
What I find interesting is the Ls3's made more torque. Thoughts?
Yes they did. After 4k rpm. Wat you thinkin?
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 12:37 PM
  #19  
big hammer's Avatar
Thread Starter
10 Second Club
15 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,427
Likes: 226
From: over dere
Default

Originally Posted by SoFla01SSLookinstok
Yes they did. After 4k rpm. Wat you thinkin?
Theoretically that's where the engine spends most of its time whilst racing?
Reply
Old Oct 21, 2017 | 12:38 PM
  #20  
KW Baraka's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,180
Likes: 132
From: S.A., TX
Default

Originally Posted by big hammer
The spilt isn't gonna hurt it
Agreed.

KW
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:48 PM.

story-0
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-1
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-2
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-3
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-5
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-8
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-9
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE