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Old Sep 30, 2019 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
Well, it's either springs and rockers or cam. You have to decide what you want. LLR is really a no-brainer when it comes to NA power.

The Comp EHI/EHX marine lobes are high-lift and very stable. Might be worth it if you were trying a different cam...
Yeah I know.
It's a big pain in the ***.
I will stick to cam motion.
Good company to deal with.
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I will stick to cam motion.
Good company to deal with.
The thinking of a truly wise man....
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
The thinking of a truly wise man....
Lol. So wise indeed.
Old Sep 30, 2019 | 11:42 PM
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Also guys,
What lifters are best to use with a solid roller?
Is there a long and short travel design?
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If you are asking about different lifters for normal lash or low lash, there is no difference. What makes a low lash or normal lash set up is the lobe design
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What I should have said was, what solid lifter would you recommend?
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What ever CamMotion sells
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They sell oiled and not oiled.
Kip told me since I use an idle rpm of 1050,oiled was not necessary. Below that rpm , get oiled
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Old Oct 1, 2019 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by AINT SKEERED
They sell oiled and not oiled.
Kip told me since I use an idle rpm of 1050,oiled was not necessary. Below that rpm , get oiled
That's exactly where I'm idling
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You will probably never gain because the Intake cant flow enough to support the rpm range of the cam. Either go all out and make it a high rpm monster or put a smaller cam back into it and have a torquey street car. Whatever you do make sure heads have optimal port design for desired rpm range and lift.
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Originally Posted by Bspeck82
You will probably never gain because the Intake cant flow enough to support the rpm range of the cam. Either go all out and make it a high rpm monster or put a smaller cam back into it and have a torquey street car. Whatever you do make sure heads have optimal port design for desired rpm range and lift.
The intake does flow enough because it has made 520rwhp on my engine once before when everything was running right. With the mid length runner intake too it should comfortably spin to 7500rpm.
The FAST intake also made 535rwhp on a 468CI LSX engine with MAST 305 heads which my tuner did last year. This was with a LLSR from cam motion. 252/264 .680 .680 114 LSA+4
Obviously it would have made more hp with another intake.
However, this thing has so much torque throughout the rpm rage that it still spins the tyres at 75mph.
This engine is screaming for that new FAST polymer tunnel ram intake.
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The intake does flow enough because it has made 520rwhp on my engine once before when everything was running right. With the mid length runner intake too it should comfortably spin to 7500rpm.
The FAST intake also made 535rwhp on a 468CI LSX engine with MAST 305 heads which my tuner did last year. This was with a LLSR from cam motion. 252/264 .680 .680 114 LSA+4
Obviously it would have made more hp with another intake.
However, this thing has so much torque throughout the rpm rage that it still spins the tyres at 75mph.
This engine is screaming for that new FAST polymer tunnel ram intake.
My 427 llsr with a sniper intake got stupid on me at 70 last week😁 I love when people recommend building these for tq with a llsr. Have your cake and eat it too
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Originally Posted by AINT SKEERED
My 427 llsr with a sniper intake got stupid on me at 70 last week😁 I love when people recommend building these for tq with a llsr. Have your cake and eat it too
Yeah I know.
You wouldn't need to build for torque on a 468.
It would make too much of it by accident.
I would go for all out power with somewhat decent driveability.
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Originally Posted by bortous
The intake does flow enough because it has made 520rwhp on my engine once before when everything was running right. With the mid length runner intake too it should comfortably spin to 7500rpm.
The FAST intake also made 535rwhp on a 468CI LSX engine with MAST 305 heads which my tuner did last year. This was with a LLSR from cam motion. 252/264 .680 .680 114 LSA+4
Obviously it would have made more hp with another intake.
However, this thing has so much torque throughout the rpm rage that it still spins the tyres at 75mph.
This engine is screaming for that new FAST polymer tunnel ram intake.
What I'm saying is your combo was likely maxed out because the intake will physically max out due to runner design at 6500. So swapping a cam that makes more peak and wants to spin to 7500 will likely be less responsive and run like a dog against a similar combo with a smaller cam. You cant still make more power across the board with better heads, better valvetrain, forced induction etc, but the cam just tells the engine where it's going to make its power and what personality it will have. You may have to look into aftermarket ls3 heads and a fast 102 with short runners or a high ram Intake if you can fit it. For the money, I'd personally build for torque and driveability then squeeze it or add a blower. Up to you.
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Buy a aftermarket head for what and still got a bottle neck..Sounds like BS. Added if you were to buy a ls3 head get Liberty Ls3 11° degree heads for $400 each...but you don't need another set of heads.


*Fix what you have & diagnose what's the problem brother .....
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Buy a aftermarket head for what and still got a bottle neck..Sounds like BS. Added if you were to buy a ls3 head get Liberty Ls3 11° degree heads for $400 each...but you don't need another set of heads.


*Fix what you have & diagnose what's the problem brother .....
Frankenstein has new ports for the liberty head that's cheap and very nice. 273cc runner and 2.165/1.60 valves 11 deg angle. $2400 and will use his rocker arms.
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I knew months before about the subject...(remember Lil John was the first guy who really posted about Chris & Ls3 heads)....but back to the guy saying B needs new heads. Explain Y? Cause it's BS what you typed.

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I would go to the Ultra Lite Pro rockers, swap to a milder cam lobe, and run the 1207X spring.

Or keep what you have, pull the heads, go with the Cam Motion LLR and their Crane-built variant or the Morel 5425s.

I went with the Crane-built HIPPO lifter as it's a street car. Otherwise, the 5425s are plenty. They also have drop in Morels that use the trays. But I would not use trays on a solid lifter setup.

You don't need bushed lifters with 500lbs of spring pressure. If you had 800lbs, then yes, you have to run something like the Morel Ultimates or Jesel bushed stuff.
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Depends on how you look or perceive things...never Worry about a needle bearing F'ing up a Entire engine and Rebuild-able and high pressure Spring ready. But your correct on what was said Jake.
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
I would go to the Ultra Lite Pro rockers, swap to a milder cam lobe, and run the 1207X spring.

Or keep what you have, pull the heads, go with the Cam Motion LLR and their Crane-built variant or the Morel 5425s.

I went with the Crane-built HIPPO lifter as it's a street car. Otherwise, the 5425s are plenty. They also have drop in Morels that use the trays. But I would not use trays on a solid lifter setup.

You don't need bushed lifters with 500lbs of spring pressure. If you had 800lbs, then yes, you have to run something like the Morel Ultimates or Jesel bushed stuff.
What do you think of this lifter?

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Also what does it mean with solid lifters where it says there is a + .300 tall feature.
I won't need this?
This is for lifters for rpm over 8000rpm.

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