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Old Feb 11, 2020 | 11:29 AM
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Hope it isn't 9sec 427 vettes doing 9's
Old Feb 11, 2020 | 11:35 AM
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Not limited to one forum or person.

LMAO!
Still sad 😢 about getting screwed ☹️...now posting on his FB page.🤬😠😡👿😇 I wanna see dude we have got to talk.


Not a want but a must rethink of things. Different Pistons before I do assembly again..

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Old Feb 11, 2020 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
Not limited to one forum or person.

LMAO!
Still sad 😢 about getting screwed ☹️...now posting on his FB page.🤬😠😡👿😇 I wanna see dude we have got to talk.


Not a want but a must rethink of things. Different Pistons before I do assembly again..
As I said get some advice from Tony.
He is waiting for you with open arms.
Old Feb 11, 2020 | 11:48 AM
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bortous motor is a 408.....an LS7 is a 427....you're quoting a 454. Show me 427 c.i. with a factory LS7 intake make an honest 700whp.
Old Feb 11, 2020 | 11:53 AM
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Kinda sad and haven't been into engines to much....had backed off a bit also... before hand in hindsight.

I've asked all the questions I've Ever wanted to know about a cylinder head...modding or creating.
ER or Darin sometimes Scott. Dude's good but $9000.oo for a Ls7 top-end. I'm with if you've got the $ but this cost for a TFS casting and MSD intake.

When I read that 🤔 to self

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Old Feb 11, 2020 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
B, I don't need to call no one about a Ls7 top end @ 9k. I made a Ls7 head and priced building or putting together a STR8 head with a smaller port. Cost still wasn't 9k with all parts and intake.
DD spider. TSP has made 750 with a Ls7 top-end > factory intake* although a 454. Cam swap and milled heads with a 427 Ls7? Waiting on NPS response, builds all types of engines besides the LS up in Canada. Race builder? Some just don't post here... This is OLD. And he said what he said 750 with Factory heads and intake.

https://youtu.be/TJtHwejf_Ko
750 crank. 631 rwhp. 98_WS6_M6 is talking 700 RWHP, so more like 800 crank., so oops, there!

Second, it seems like the price is a misrepresentation. You make it look like $9K for the heads. That's not even close. But I'll play along...

Mast heads just the casting - $1450 each, so $2900.
Valves - $850 for 8 intake valves from manley. $250 for the eight exhaust valves
Springs - PAC 1335, since you like to run lift - $630
Cam - $450
Lifters - Assume you'll run either Jesel or isky? - $1300
CID intake - $1050 if set up for eight injectors, $1500 if set up for 16
Pushrods - $250 for manton custom
Rockers - no YT for you, so likely Jesels or T&D, so est $1500, which is probably low...

We're at $9200 now, without the expensive options, and we haven't done the setting up, retainers, locks, shimming, gaskets, fluids, throttle body not on the list yet. Can play again. Pick the porter's casting you want, then pay for CNC, and you're in the same ballpark. Brodix set up with stainless intake valves is $3600, and if you're cutting costs there, then you've already made the point.

The heads fully set up are only half the cost.

I did do a cheaper LS7 top end set up. Didn't make the power. I could make it make the power. Won't have the reliability. Want power AND reliability? Grab your wallet!
Old Feb 11, 2020 | 12:02 PM
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NPS said 750 crank hp, in 2014 NPS created his own Ls7 head using more than likely the Brodix Ls7 castings. The video seen was a Factory intake with NPS created Brodix heads. NPS now says he's doing 750 with Either or head and factory intake. I'm not limited to Ls1tech and 1 builder. Ain't nothing new out here being done!
Old Feb 11, 2020 | 12:06 PM
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Darth no way around 9k and TFS Ls7 heads ...Jesus himself wouldn't think of asking me to change my mind knowing who and what I know as he lead me to them. Yeah this is the reason I don't like dude ....10k for a bowl and SSR job from a TFS 260 cc head and it's parts.

Call BES and ask what 10k would get you.
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Old Feb 11, 2020 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
Darth no way around 9k and TFS Ls7 heads ...Jesus himself wouldn't think of asking me to change my mind knowing who and what I know as he lead me to them. Yeah this is the reason I don't like dude ....10k for a bowl and SSR job from a TFS 260 cc head and it's parts.

Call BES and ask what 10k would get you.
Again, complete misrepresentation. Now you are saying $10k for a tfs casting and a bowl blend??? not even close to true. Anyone reading this, call Tony and quote the heads and not all the ancillary stuff.
Old Feb 11, 2020 | 12:12 PM
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Any porter out here would give a better casting than a TFS that's 1st off for that price ...
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You got a complete Ls7 top end...the heads are TFS 260 CNC heads with a hand job in the porting world. Tony calls it a CNC program
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
...Call BES and ask what 10k would get you.
$6200 just for the heads set up and no additional hardware...
Old Feb 11, 2020 | 12:19 PM
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I priced every part to the assembled LS3 I've got and any head I got or thought of making.
Old Feb 11, 2020 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 98_WS6_M6
I have a feeling Tony is going to have a few mid 9 second passes NA floating around soon. I'll be waiting to see all the other builders cars catch up.
Highly doubt that. His packages have been out a few years and there have been no track numbers. Takes a hell of a driver to run a 9sec pass in a stick vette, let alone a mid 9 second pass. 90% of the HCI vettes have the power to run a 9sec pass but lack the driver's skill to get it to leave well enough. Myself included. Best I ever did was a 10.2 @ 142.5 with a 1.66 60ft.

I've made as much power as a Mamo top end package (on a SBE LS7) with nothing but off the shelf parts. The cam I used was even a blower cam, originally.

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Brother brother brother ...$6200 for a TFS casting above all things.
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Brother brother brother ...$6200 for a TFS casting above all things.
Not even close, man. $6200 was the BES price for a set of heads the way I want them set up... Just the heads, nothing else.
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
NPS said 750 crank hp, in 2014 NPS created his own Ls7 head using more than likely the Brodix Ls7 castings. The video seen was a Factory intake with NPS created Brodix heads. NPS now says he's doing 750 with Either or head and factory intake. I'm not limited to Ls1tech and 1 builder. Ain't nothing new out here being done!
750hp is a stretch, I've never seen that much out of a stock intake manifold. 61Xwhp is the most I've ever seen.
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
750 crank. 631 rwhp. 98_WS6_M6 is talking 700 RWHP, so more like 800 crank., so oops, there!

Second, it seems like the price is a misrepresentation. You make it look like $9K for the heads. That's not even close. But I'll play along...

Mast heads just the casting - $1450 each, so $2900.
Valves - $850 for 8 intake valves from manley. $250 for the eight exhaust valves
Springs - PAC 1335, since you like to run lift - $630
Cam - $450
Lifters - Assume you'll run either Jesel or isky? - $1300
CID intake - $1050 if set up for eight injectors, $1500 if set up for 16
Pushrods - $250 for manton custom
Rockers - no YT for you, so likely Jesels or T&D, so est $1500, which is probably low...

We're at $9200 now, without the expensive options, and we haven't done the setting up, retainers, locks, shimming, gaskets, fluids, throttle body not on the list yet. Can play again. Pick the porter's casting you want, then pay for CNC, and you're in the same ballpark. Brodix set up with stainless intake valves is $3600, and if you're cutting costs there, then you've already made the point.

The heads fully set up are only half the cost.

I did do a cheaper LS7 top end set up. Didn't make the power. I could make it make the power. Won't have the reliability. Want power AND reliability? Grab your wallet!
Damn. Tony is even cheaper than I thought. Especially for a top of the line setup that no one seems to match.

Even both my tuners and one holds the LDR record said Mamo's stuff is pretty awesome in how it performs NA and neither of them frequent LS1tech YB or any other forums they just see results first hand.
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Video was 630 if I'm not mistaking and factory intake. John B made 620+ Factory intake..again nothing new.
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
Video was 630 if I'm not mistaking and factory intake. John B made 620+ Factory intake..again nothing new.
Not saying it isn't badass what he did. But how is this any different than any other vendor for doing badass heads and an intake that chokes it back? And probably a hell of a lot more cam...





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