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It can't be that good .....how's that?
A CID and 4500 will walk the Dog on a ported by Anybody plastic intake. Fact! How? Read the above selection. Self explanatory! 4500 vs Whatever. If the intakes so great Y is it that Eric of HPR has told me and Qoute this.....MSD can not feed 400+ cfm. His 468 thru 528 cubic inch motors need a CID because a Plastic limited intake with a110+ mm Can Not supply the demand. If you believe anything other than that .......4500 flows more than anything you got so mores available. Besides the runner area. Measure and compare the area of 1 runner with a Fast,MSD,etc against a baseline of the listed port of the Holley. 1 problem we know you can't fix. The amount of air that we can make available 4500 vs whatever TB placed on front of any intake listed.
Run tell that.
A CID and 4500 will walk the Dog on a ported by Anybody plastic intake. Fact! How? Read the above selection. Self explanatory! 4500 vs Whatever. If the intakes so great Y is it that Eric of HPR has told me and Qoute this.....MSD can not feed 400+ cfm. His 468 thru 528 cubic inch motors need a CID because a Plastic limited intake with a110+ mm Can Not supply the demand. If you believe anything other than that .......4500 flows more than anything you got so mores available. Besides the runner area. Measure and compare the area of 1 runner with a Fast,MSD,etc against a baseline of the listed port of the Holley. 1 problem we know you can't fix. The amount of air that we can make available 4500 vs whatever TB placed on front of any intake listed.
Run tell that.
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Originally Posted by Floorman279
what I meant was, now I know about how flow means nothing to some people, but do we really know the limits of a mamo msd as far as cfm?
as darth mentioned, the mamo msd can hang in there
as darth mentioned, the mamo msd can hang in there
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
Darth there's a 427+ making 800 + with a MSD. Point is a 102 thru 112mm isn't enough. Same engine with a CID hp grow which tells us it doesn't have enough. Tq maybe higher but on hp no contest.. mores available.
id buy it......dont know if the rears would get more air and or run leaner than the others. I'm not too educated on what happens to air once inside the plenum.
I def would consider a shorter runner on a 440 or more. especially a 468. those motors create a noticeably amount more low end than the 427 so could certainly sacrifice the low end to gain the top end. but we aren't really focusing on that here. we are talking about a tiny 428
. so I stand by the ported plastic intake
I def would consider a shorter runner on a 440 or more. especially a 468. those motors create a noticeably amount more low end than the 427 so could certainly sacrifice the low end to gain the top end. but we aren't really focusing on that here. we are talking about a tiny 428
. so I stand by the ported plastic intake ^^^Lol, god bless 2019...We are already referring to 427s/428 as a small motor...Where does the time go? I remember thinkn prior to my own build, how awesome itd be to build a nice 427ci for a streetcar. Feels like is just the norm now
Just to put this out there. When I ordered my Mamo MSD from Tony I really wanted to at least put on a 105mm TB on it to try to get more air in as I do agree with Smokey on this. He told me with all his testing my motor didn't need any more tb and that my 102 was enough? I wanted him to port the opening to fit something bigger and would have paid extra. Now I wouldn't think he would want to turn away money but that was the response I got outta the conversation. I have a 13:8 compression 440 with Mast 305 black labels with a fairly large cam just for reference. You sure would think I would be a perfect candidate for more air! I sure wasn't going to question Tony of all people on airflow. LOL
Last edited by ramairws6; Dec 1, 2019 at 06:20 PM.
Understandable.... 102 to a 110 will have a slight differences in cfm that's provided. 200 CFM. The young man with the 468 with intake testing speaks volumes.... remember what Eric the builder said. 528's thru 427's if the heads R flowing 400+ ...CID intake testing pending with a 528. Flat lining / gasping for more, 4500 to the rescue.
BTW nice intake.
BTW nice intake.
Last edited by Smokey B; Dec 1, 2019 at 07:01 PM.
People want exact #"s but this is as close as it gets use what's between your ears. CID intake with a 92mm does all the intakes listed #"s. Once a 4bbl is introduced game over. You may not want to face it but .....
https://gwatneyperformance.com/the-u...dyno-shootout/
https://gwatneyperformance.com/the-u...dyno-shootout/
People want exact #"s but this is as close as it gets use what's between your ears. CID intake with a 92mm does all the intakes listed #"s. Once a 4bbl is introduced game over. You may not want to face it but .....
https://gwatneyperformance.com/the-u...dyno-shootout/
https://gwatneyperformance.com/the-u...dyno-shootout/
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Holdener did some testing way back. 102 Tb good for 1380 cfm.
Also putting a radiused entry on it was good for an ADDITIONAL 400 cfm. That is as good as a 4.5 intake tubing setup, which flowed 1800 cfm. I might be giving up a handful of ponies, but it is not like I will be down 100 hp due to a 102 Tb.
Also putting a radiused entry on it was good for an ADDITIONAL 400 cfm. That is as good as a 4.5 intake tubing setup, which flowed 1800 cfm. I might be giving up a handful of ponies, but it is not like I will be down 100 hp due to a 102 Tb.
I got u guy's .....But I will never let that die, when promoting a product then don't produce a part to fully utilize that part. Makes me mad.
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Last edited by Smokey B; Dec 1, 2019 at 08:36 PM.
People want exact #"s but this is as close as it gets use what's between your ears. CID intake with a 92mm does all the intakes listed #"s. Once a 4bbl is introduced game over. You may not want to face it but .....
https://gwatneyperformance.com/the-u...dyno-shootout/
https://gwatneyperformance.com/the-u...dyno-shootout/
To get the Mamo number is Easy. Just do basic math. If Mamo"s ported intake was used... . Hmmmmm.
How much is a Mamo intake worth vs a FAST like the 1 used in the test? You'd take the difference and add that to the FAST? Gives you a rough number? Life ain't perfect but we can get a general idea of what's to be expected. Out think the problem or ? The number may look good ,but ....we get back to what was spoken on. I can ask Darin or Scott @ CFE amoung others. 400's isn't gonna happen.
How much is a Mamo intake worth vs a FAST like the 1 used in the test? You'd take the difference and add that to the FAST? Gives you a rough number? Life ain't perfect but we can get a general idea of what's to be expected. Out think the problem or ? The number may look good ,but ....we get back to what was spoken on. I can ask Darin or Scott @ CFE amoung others. 400's isn't gonna happen.









