We are all on point....does get a little side ways a bit. But you get it .... This is Every engines guys dream a 400 + cfm head and to hamper that is like a crime against the engine gods.

 

Smokey I get what you are saying but until you put all your knowledge into a running engine and prove it, its irrelevant. Look at it this way, how much horsepower an intake can make is what you aim for but I'd rather have a head that let's that intake do all it can than have an intake doing more than a head can do.

 

I'm not willing to compromise nor accept something not getting it's fully intended use. If I have 410+ give me 390's not 370''s. We can take a loss ...but 20+. F that.

 

Smoke, were not building Pro-mod engines here either. 99% street stuff here. My car can’t go WOT without spinning even in 4th gear with my junky plastic pos MMS intake. I and most everyone else here totally understands your point, and it can be frustrating, sure. But for the most part a MMS MSD is the best choice for an intake without cutting a car up.

 

Chevelle....light 1 just 4 u cause I like u also.

I get what's being said. I never went to any school or mechanical engineer or anything. 1 thing I did learn is this ....fill the cylinder. Straight to the point and the hell with anything other than what's stated. If I fill the cylinder better than the other guy I can expect more power. DD or pro-mod. Now if you get or got this why in the hell would you hinder what we know to make power? Now I read 420 cfm with flow sheets and all this, yet we come back to a problem of a intake chocking what you like. I get they don't have anything for a low profile intake that allows you guys to fully use you heads. With that being said, figure it out the runners need more Area. Theres the answer now how can you do it with a forward facing TB. removable runner can be duplicated for more area, then you run into TB size. As we know a 4500 will make more hp than a 102 mm. Reason for the larger 110+ TB. Area is needed within a small confined space. It ain't hard. Just takes thinking if you want it.

Everything's not OTB.......nor should your thinking and core thoughts on airflow.

 

My Ls7 head flows 370's you think I'd put a 340 cfm intake on. Even if I had no choice but a plastic intake because of the hood. ° = Light bulb and my a$$ better Start thinking .

 

^^^Unfortunately, i dont think we ll ever know. Thats a whole other story tho. In THIS thread, we get to see what Darths new combo will reveal. Despite the fact that old one was lackluster in his mind, it still hauled the mail. Stingy dyno or not, underperforming intake or not, etc, IMPROVEMENT is coming!

 

It's all luv brothers......on some I don't say anything. I want Bro's stuff to see what's seen or as close to heaven and earth can muster. I wouldn't be me if I didn't say anything. I truly love Cylinder heads.

 

Oh yeah I pretty much figured out that Low Ram intake on YB. Scott Foxwell's a good dude also.

 

I agree with smokey on the intake. I think all he is trying to say is we have 400+cfm cylinder heads available capable of 800+hp n/a at the crank.. there should be a forward facing with TB intake that can flow enough to not hinder the heads and horsepower.

 

Chevelle check your pm''s ..... I enjoy finding answers.

If they don't make something invest your time and $ and do it the way you want(invest in your own ideas). If I had this problem I'd contact Marcella and Cary and talk.... Sheet metal can be copied into a CAD design for a different material...aka Carbon fiber or polymer....Cary does billet Everything... blocks,heads, intakes, etc......he can do a design, to be used for a mold...wink wink.

I see cathedral to Ls3 adapters for the low ram. Yet have Ls7 heads? Weld up the mounting holes for Ls7 placement and work from there. Next problem is intake runner is to short with a 9k shift point. Found 2 to 3 inch long intake bellmouths with a 4 to 5 inch diameter. Weld needed. Low ram dual 4500 intake made for a 7800 peak. Making a 3.4 inch long runner into a 5.9 long runner. You gotta do what you gotta do.

 

G you did know my circle is Deep? Messing with u!

 

what proof do we have that a "mamo" mad doesn't provide enough air here?

 

Ain't messin with ya Smoke! LOL

 

What do you mean.........how basic can it be? You use a CID intake what happens? Hp grows. It's providing more/better air. Besides that a 102mm isn't supplying 400 cfm better than a Larger size TB. Reference 4500 (2100+ cfm) vs 105mm (1550cfm) .....125mm (2275cfm) yeah 125mm needed on the front of a MSD/FAST to match a 4500. When your talking runners its area and taper. Easy quick point. Compare the holley hi ram runner Vs any MSD,FAST, new FAST hi ram etc.......Area - taper - length. Those intakes can't supply 4500 numbers so it can't be enough. A 102mm TB has a hp loss of what Vs a 4500 using the same carb style intake. ER racing told me the hi ram is the easiest to port and can get CFM to be on par with the heads used. 102-112mm didn't come up.... Common sense need not be spoken. He used a 400cfm head with dual 4500's on a Hi Ram.
Compare what's going on to what's sold or ported. High rams runners R good for how much hp, honestly? Add in a big 4500. MSD can Not be ported or have a TB to fully supply a 410+cfm head.

Runner Length – 6.29”, As-Cast Runner Cross-Sectional Area – Tapered 4.67 in² to 2.84 in².

Some things are common knowledge and reseach^^^^^^^^^

 

That makes a lot more sense. I should read the threads more thoroughly before commenting.

 

If its so "easy", "common knowledge", etc. Why dont you use all of these resources and secret inner circles on speed dial and come up with this intake/tb solution? Im not being a smart ***, im thinkn out loud. Seriously. Its obvious that theres a huge demand out there for guys wanting to use every bit of thier expensive azz 400+ cfm heads. It sounds to me like a home run in the lsx street car world. Whats stopping you? Money? Put up all your parts and s10 as collateral n lets get this done! Im in! We ll set up n llc n become independantly wealthy. All while PROVING your 100% right the whole time. I mean lets be for real, you basically called my 5k intake a POS. Along with every other intake on the market except your beloved SV4500 set up. Its almost like nothing else matters and is complete rubbish just for attempting to get the job done. I guess 2nd place is first loser in your eyes so why should any other intake exist if it cant be 1st place-the best! I totally get what your saying bout paying for xyz hp n only getting abc. But you woke up this morning using 10% of your brains potential n than lit up a fatty just to argue the same broken record with nobody, done nothings, got more money than brains kinda guys like myself aka the other 99%. I can live with that train of thought cuz it does not bother me as much as it bothers you. Screw this bro, be productive to this community, lets get something going here!

Performance Design will work with ya hand in hand on design and execution of anything. Look at what they ve built already. One phone call n lets see whats up. Only 3 rules here apply,...its gotta produce the numbers, its gotta fit, and has to be affordable to the masses. How hard can that really be? I think most of the knowledge is already there in your head.

 

100% true, problem is the solution is not that easy. And because its not, that doesnt make everything else that's not 100% effecient pure crap, BS, blasphemy.

 

Smokey is definitely really into his intakes however he needs to realise that one intake does not suit every combination.
Most use the plastic intakes because they have the best balance of streetabable torque and power and also with a decent rpm range to boot.
Unless you are revving really high at 7500rpm+ then the other intakes make more sense.
I wonder what his thoughts are on the new FAST LSXHR.
This is also plastic and based on some testing, it beats out the competitors for power and torque.
Each intake has it's place.

 

what I meant was, now I know about how flow means nothing to some people, but do we really know the limits of a mamo msd as far as cfm?

as darth mentioned, the mamo msd can hang in there