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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Double06
When will you dyno it with Mamo heads, MSD and other new items? You mention only 40 hp from 346 how much TQ did you gain? Was more of the gain down lower at say 4,000 rpm? I think the Lingenfleter heads are pretty good remember the test that was done about 6 years ago on a 495 CID motor in a magazine on like 6 heads. The Mast was the winner at like 810 hp the Lingenfelter did pretty good at like 795 hp. TQ I think was within 10-15 of the MAST 305 head. This was done with a Holley Dominator style manifold. The Tony set up should do well. Your TQ to HP delta of 90+ points is pretty good your TQ is a little low if you can get that up and still keep the 90 point delta that would get you the 600rwhp.
I gained a good 60 lbs torque. I expect to dyno with the new top end before the first of the year.
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
You said it brother... There's no F"ing way 429 and 12.2+ compression with 250 degrees of durations Would not make 730 min. Hp @ the crank. 12.2 compression with 250 plus ='s 700 @ the crank with nothing more than a 402. Stingy maybe but if the mph is there you know what's going on as a Dyno typically doesn't put a load on the motor like the track will. Some tuneups in a car can be done on the dyno for hero pulls.....looked over Hammers build and times....Sniper works! Mph says so....intake wants more RPM. ° think of where Hammer makes hp & mph.
If I understand it correctly I am at 700 fwhp now. Cam is 248/255. But solid roller so 242/250 equivalent.
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 11:05 AM
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IDK......

Starting to add up... 240 ish cam add 25 for solid roller with another 10 hp being 12+ compression VS 11.7 basic normal math.

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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 11:11 AM
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Right. But remember it's a baseline. Upgrades:

Intake - sniper to msd
Cam - 248/255 to 256/270
Heads - ported stock to Mamo

Heads are still on a ups truck between CA and SC
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 11:11 AM
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This combination is great yet doesn't offer enough air to fill the Cylinder which is Hp.
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 11:13 AM
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Cam is what's going to Wake things up!
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 11:20 AM
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Never forget that brother no matter what.....


We are just trying to fill a cylinder with air and fuel. The more the better pick your RPM. Mamo heads with a great CSA > 2.250 valve will do things, just hate the damn intake. It hurts the 1st statement.
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
BTW .....Happy turkey day to all U ....... MF'ers.
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Gobble til ya s wobble!!! Good read sofar guys...learning i am!
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 01:09 PM
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3450 raceweight and 134 mph is already impressive. You done that with a 5000+ DA. That's way more power than the dyno shows. I'd say close to 140traps st zero DA
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 03:17 PM
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Darth how big is the throttle blade? All these newer larger sizes as 105 Ain't enough nor is a 108 mm in reality.
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 04:08 PM
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How much timing are you running? Maybe you have it in here somewhere thought I would ask.
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
Darth how big is the throttle blade? All these newer larger sizes as 105 Ain't enough nor is a 108 mm in reality.
102. I know it could be bigger but a 102 Tb is not killing the motor. Map is holding close to ambient at wot.

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How much timing are you running? Maybe you have it in here somewhere thought I would ask.
24 degrees. Not sure it was in this thread or the prior build thread. But as it sits it is 12.3:1 on 93 octane. So the timing is not going to push too far.
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AINT SKEERED
3450 raceweight and 134 mph is already impressive. You done that with a 5000+ DA. That's way more power than the dyno shows. I'd say close to 140traps st zero DA
That's what makes me wonder if the dyno is a bit stingy. But it is what it is. We will see improvement and go from there.
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 06:24 PM
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Well, stingy or not, hopefully you ll use the same dyno afterwards so we ll know exactly whats gained. I ve been told mph n track times are usually your best indicators.
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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rkupon1
Well, stingy or not, hopefully you ll use the same dyno afterwards so we ll know exactly whats gained. I ve been told mph n track times are usually your best indicators.
Yes that is the plan.

And I do not honestly care if it is stingy or not. I felt like suddenly I was having to defend my baseline dyno after admitting I was disappointed in the combo and then being told all the reasons it does not work optimally. Which I knew when I put it together.

I let the chatter get the better of me. Is it underperforming? Yes.

Why do I have a smaller cam with a wider LSA? Because I do not look at LSA. I set IVC and EVO based on intended rpm and then overlap based on tolerance for lumpiness. LSA just ends up getting calculated off of the valve events. And it works well for me.

The whole reason I got the sniper was it was cheap and let me put my 102 Tb on without spacers. Stock intake was pulling a 10 kpa vacuum at wot. It was a stop gap until I got what I wanted. Hope that clears it up.

Short runner plus what I suspect are lazy ports leads to heavy reversion, which means not a lot of air being trapped until it gets into some rpm. But by then the cam is out of breath. So like Spanks said earlier, it is never really in tune with itself. So I changed directions for port velocity and then upped the cam to keep the same rpm targets. Top shelf heads was always in the plan.

The comparison will show what it shows.

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Old Nov 28, 2019 | 07:05 PM
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That was from Eric .....° HPR. Subject was feeding larger CI engines and low profile intakes....fast,MSD etc.. CID intake testing pending with a 528 <Eric.
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Old Nov 29, 2019 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
And keep in mind I trapped 134 in 5000 DA and 3460 race weight. I do think the dyno is stingy
Your a lot closer to 625RW than you are to 600RW in 5000DA. Keep working on a 1.37 60 ft and 9's will be gravy.
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Old Nov 29, 2019 | 11:03 PM
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The whole thing is guys want to see this magical rwhp #..... Cars trapping Damn near Hammers numbers....think about that as is! Add the new S/R to the same head . Yeah. This is before a aftermarket casting. People want the wow factor, yet fail to see the truth in the details.
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Old Nov 29, 2019 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
The whole thing is guys want to see this magical rwhp #..... Cars trapping Damn near Hammers numbers....think about that as is! Add the new S/R to the same head . Yeah. This is before a aftermarket casting. People want the wow factor, yet fail to see the truth in the details.
The MSD on the engine as it sits, or the new cam with the sniper I bet each would be much improved in their own way without swapping heads. Only 450rwtq at 7000rpm gets 600rwhp. The cam and intake not playing nice.

The Mamo combo is going to be **** no argument. Curious how the MSD does that’s the big ? to me still.

Also truth in what you’re saying if it dynod 625whp and trapped the same the thread would be really different lol but reality the same.
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Originally Posted by spanks13
The MSD on the engine as it sits, or the new cam with the sniper I bet each would be much improved in their own way without swapping heads. Only 450rwtq at 7000rpm gets 600rwhp. The cam and intake not playing nice.

The Mamo combo is going to be **** no argument. Curious how the MSD does that’s the big ? to me still.

Also truth in what you’re saying if it dynod 625whp and trapped the same the thread would be really different lol but reality the same.
I think you are spot on with your assessment. The whole post.
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