LSX 454 freshen up
#701
ive bought a pac 1209x spring kit and I’ll install the damaged spring , bring the car home, then I’ll have to find out how to measure Installed height and spring pressures, buy the tools for that, then replace them all.
I’ve been busy building new house and forgot I was going to replace springs after 18 months. I’ve done nearly 30,000miles since full rebuild so I’ve gotten good spring life for solid roller
I’ve been busy building new house and forgot I was going to replace springs after 18 months. I’ve done nearly 30,000miles since full rebuild so I’ve gotten good spring life for solid roller
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AINT SKEERED (04-14-2021)
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G Atsma (04-14-2021)
#703
I put new valve springs and retainers on , 1st time I’ve done it and no problem at all... then on my way home dropped a lifter , must have been damaged when valve spring broke..
id say new cam and lifters and I’ll b good to go
id say new cam and lifters and I’ll b good to go
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Corona (06-18-2021)
#704
Often times when a roller lifter takes a dump, it will litter up the adjacent cylinders pretty bad. Piston skirts get trashed from the debris and take the cylinder walls with them. Not trying to jinx you here Mickey, I’ve just seen it happen. Boils down to how bad the lifter came apart. Hopefully you caught yours in time.
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G Atsma (06-18-2021)
#705
Often times when a roller lifter takes a dump, it will litter up the adjacent cylinders pretty bad. Piston skirts get trashed from the debris and take the cylinder walls with them. Not trying to jinx you here Mickey, I’ve just seen it happen. Boils down to how bad the lifter came apart. Hopefully you caught yours in time.
Pulled it down already , lifter wheel is just pitted. I’ll buy a new pair of lifters, new cam, I’ll get the same one, a head gasket , then good to go
Dont know how many engines I’ve lost due to lifters. I know in one season I had to do eight rebuilds due to lifters turning, I think I’m up to 3rd with this car... oh well gotta pay to play
#706
Sounds like weak valve springs allowed valve float that damaged lifter. With new valve springs you installed, I’d replace all lifters with new camshaft. There is just too much at stake. At very least inspect every single lifter carefully before reuse.
#709
After my dad lost the needles out of a roller lifter in his 555 BBC after only 100 runs on a brand new everything build we're a bushed lifter family for life. A needle got between the piston and the cylinder wall and well...that was that. Isky EZ roll redzones are going in my 427 build. The bushed lifters lasted 1300 runs in his last big block with no signs of wearing out after being sent back to Isky for a rebuild.
SBC/LS will not be as hard on lifters as a big block with canted valves and offset pushrods, but still..it is well worth the money imo.
SBC/LS will not be as hard on lifters as a big block with canted valves and offset pushrods, but still..it is well worth the money imo.
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rkupon1 (06-19-2021)
#710
With the spring breaking and now the lifter youd have to guess that with my set up i pushed it to far before doing a spring change.
Ill do the same as last time and send my lifters to crower for a rebuild. Cost me $500 which is better than the $2000 id have to pay for new.
Ive done a lot of reading about bushed v rollers and for the street ill stick to rollers. I changed oil to driven GP1 which is a semi synthetic which most lifter manufacturers say is better for the rollers. On my last lash check i did notice i had to change lash on that same valve... Ive learnt a few things with this solid set up... Spring change once a yr
Ill do the same as last time and send my lifters to crower for a rebuild. Cost me $500 which is better than the $2000 id have to pay for new.
Ive done a lot of reading about bushed v rollers and for the street ill stick to rollers. I changed oil to driven GP1 which is a semi synthetic which most lifter manufacturers say is better for the rollers. On my last lash check i did notice i had to change lash on that same valve... Ive learnt a few things with this solid set up... Spring change once a yr
#711
After having a good look at everything i cant believe how good it all looks. The bores are mint, looks like the day i got it back from machine shop, All the lifter wheels look great except the one tht collapsed, no play in them at all. Cam lobes look good except for a tiny bit of pitting on the collapsed lifter lobe. No marks,scratches,scoring, on any part except the lifter wheel and one cam lobe. Same with cam bearings, not a mark. I thought the valve with the broken springs may have kissed the piston but not a mark there also. The YT rockers are doing a good job also, valve tips are not showing any signs of wear at all, not a mark. Yt checked all rockers, the rockers themselves have a small amount of wear of the shafts but Yt said nothing to worry about. I think they were surprised how good they were after so many miles and running valve spring pressures above recommended.
I dont know if changing oil is the reason for it all looking good but this is the best ive seen after 5 rebuilds on this engine
I picked up on the broken springs straight away and also picked the lifter straight away also, so im happy i have a good ear.
Lifters are on there way to crower for rebuild, $365 + frieght. Cams 4-6 weeks. Ive been debating whether to send heads to tony for v2 update but after pulling engine down and seeing how good it all is i dont know if its worth it. The msd intake seems to drop off around the 6500rpm so not much use revving it past 7200rpm. I may get more life from springs but i think i got heaps of miles as is. At the moment ill put it back together as is then this time next year see how everything is and make up my mind whether to go v2. If alls good ill go v2 on next engine i have planned
I dont know if changing oil is the reason for it all looking good but this is the best ive seen after 5 rebuilds on this engine
I picked up on the broken springs straight away and also picked the lifter straight away also, so im happy i have a good ear.
Lifters are on there way to crower for rebuild, $365 + frieght. Cams 4-6 weeks. Ive been debating whether to send heads to tony for v2 update but after pulling engine down and seeing how good it all is i dont know if its worth it. The msd intake seems to drop off around the 6500rpm so not much use revving it past 7200rpm. I may get more life from springs but i think i got heaps of miles as is. At the moment ill put it back together as is then this time next year see how everything is and make up my mind whether to go v2. If alls good ill go v2 on next engine i have planned
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#712
After having a good look at everything i cant believe how good it all looks. The bores are mint, looks like the day i got it back from machine shop, All the lifter wheels look great except the one tht collapsed, no play in them at all. Cam lobes look good except for a tiny bit of pitting on the collapsed lifter lobe. No marks,scratches,scoring, on any part except the lifter wheel and one cam lobe. Same with cam bearings, not a mark. I thought the valve with the broken springs may have kissed the piston but not a mark there also. The YT rockers are doing a good job also, valve tips are not showing any signs of wear at all, not a mark. Yt checked all rockers, the rockers themselves have a small amount of wear of the shafts but Yt said nothing to worry about. I think they were surprised how good they were after so many miles and running valve spring pressures above recommended.
I dont know if changing oil is the reason for it all looking good but this is the best ive seen after 5 rebuilds on this engine
I picked up on the broken springs straight away and also picked the lifter straight away also, so im happy i have a good ear.
Lifters are on there way to crower for rebuild, $365 + frieght. Cams 4-6 weeks. Ive been debating whether to send heads to tony for v2 update but after pulling engine down and seeing how good it all is i dont know if its worth it. The msd intake seems to drop off around the 6500rpm so not much use revving it past 7200rpm. I may get more life from springs but i think i got heaps of miles as is. At the moment ill put it back together as is then this time next year see how everything is and make up my mind whether to go v2. If alls good ill go v2 on next engine i have planned
I dont know if changing oil is the reason for it all looking good but this is the best ive seen after 5 rebuilds on this engine
I picked up on the broken springs straight away and also picked the lifter straight away also, so im happy i have a good ear.
Lifters are on there way to crower for rebuild, $365 + frieght. Cams 4-6 weeks. Ive been debating whether to send heads to tony for v2 update but after pulling engine down and seeing how good it all is i dont know if its worth it. The msd intake seems to drop off around the 6500rpm so not much use revving it past 7200rpm. I may get more life from springs but i think i got heaps of miles as is. At the moment ill put it back together as is then this time next year see how everything is and make up my mind whether to go v2. If alls good ill go v2 on next engine i have planned
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#714
I figured you’d leave it alone since it drives so well, but at the same time, it’s so easy to let ourselves mess things up, if you know what I mean.
#715
I definitely know what you mean. Ive been building this engine for 6yrs now, changing things , trying to get it reliable with good power, its very close now. Now that i know how long i can run it before things wear i can keep on top of it.... On whether to change cam , i dont think it can be better for how i drive. There no sense trying to get more torque out of it, thinks thats obvious with the pics on what i tow at times, and have plenty of hp, so im gunna say engine done, now ill start on interior, new rims, thumpin stereo, and carbon panels n doors
#717
Glad to see these are holding up. I've heard horror stories about aluminum rocker arms on solid setups but Mr. Mamo himself told me that I shouldn't have an issue with running his YT's on a solid cam and lifter. I wish I'd have listened to him and purchased a set as I'm sure they're much lighter than the T&D's that I purchased for the BR7's.
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G Atsma (07-04-2021)
#718
Glad to see these are holding up. I've heard horror stories about aluminum rocker arms on solid setups but Mr. Mamo himself told me that I shouldn't have an issue with running his YT's on a solid cam and lifter. I wish I'd have listened to him and purchased a set as I'm sure they're much lighter than the T&D's that I purchased for the BR7's.
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