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07-19-2006, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MadSpeed
Are people not making over 1300 hp on Eagle cranks without failure?
If so why pay for a name?
Unles you can get a Lunati rotating assy for cost =) like myself. Wink Wink nudge nudge
If so why pay for a name?
Unles you can get a Lunati rotating assy for cost =) like myself. Wink Wink nudge nudge
ive heard of people making over 1200hp on the stock crank.
come to think of it, i have yet to hear of anyone breaking the stock crank.... anyone have a link to a thread with some carnage pics?
07-19-2006, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ramairws6
From what I've heard on the Cola cranks you will be using,they aren't much better or maybe even of less quality than a Eagle? Heresay I guess?!
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TraverI have heard quite a few bad stories about eagle cranks and throwing bearings.
07-23-2006, 02:43 AM
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I got a quote from LME back in feb, here is what they said... keep in mind i bought a brand new in the crate wrapped up LS2 bare block $800. so they were going to be using my block and taking 1k off their standard price.
Hello,
The break down for the 427" LS2 is as follows:
LME Blueprinted, Balanced & Assembled Short Block
3 Axis CNC installation of Darton LS2 dry sleeves in your block.
Line Honed to low of spec with ARP main studs.
Surfaced w/ BHJ deck true fixture to optimal deck height for application.
Cylinders are bored 90deg. to the mains on CNC.
Torque Plate Honed according to application
Balanced to 1/4 oz. in. tolerance
Meticulous assembled with clearances adjusted accordingly.
Parts:
Eagle 4340 4.0" crankshaft
Callies 6.125" H beam rods w/ ARP 2000 7/16" bolts
Wiseco custom forged nitrous pistons w/ lateral gas ports (any comp. ratio available)
NPR stainless chrome top rings .047 .047 3mm (the rings offer less friction, excelent wear properties and will hold up to high heat conditions.
Federal Mogal 152M mains, Clevite CB 663 H rods and Dura Bond CH-23 cam bearings
ARP main studs
All oil galley and water jacket plugs installed.
The 427cu.in. LS2 shortblock discribed above is 5199.
A shorblock with shelf Wiseco nitrous pistons is 5049. and less lead time.
LME offers many options based on the goals for your car. Feel free to give us a call or email with any questions .
We look forward to talking with you.
Sincerely,
Bryan Neelen
LME
713-849-4505
Hello,
The break down for the 427" LS2 is as follows:
LME Blueprinted, Balanced & Assembled Short Block
3 Axis CNC installation of Darton LS2 dry sleeves in your block.
Line Honed to low of spec with ARP main studs.
Surfaced w/ BHJ deck true fixture to optimal deck height for application.
Cylinders are bored 90deg. to the mains on CNC.
Torque Plate Honed according to application
Balanced to 1/4 oz. in. tolerance
Meticulous assembled with clearances adjusted accordingly.
Parts:
Eagle 4340 4.0" crankshaft
Callies 6.125" H beam rods w/ ARP 2000 7/16" bolts
Wiseco custom forged nitrous pistons w/ lateral gas ports (any comp. ratio available)
NPR stainless chrome top rings .047 .047 3mm (the rings offer less friction, excelent wear properties and will hold up to high heat conditions.
Federal Mogal 152M mains, Clevite CB 663 H rods and Dura Bond CH-23 cam bearings
ARP main studs
All oil galley and water jacket plugs installed.
The 427cu.in. LS2 shortblock discribed above is 5199.
A shorblock with shelf Wiseco nitrous pistons is 5049. and less lead time.
LME offers many options based on the goals for your car. Feel free to give us a call or email with any questions .
We look forward to talking with you.
Sincerely,
Bryan Neelen
LME
713-849-4505
07-23-2006, 02:46 AM
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the above parts dont look like crap parts to me or a builder that is selling on ebay. this is the only 427ci short block that i would ever call being built on a "budget". im wishing i would have done this instead of the LS2 403 ci i have sitting in my garage right now. i didnt think it was going to take this long to get the $$$ to finish my car so i went with the 403. i may sell it and do the above since all i have at this point is a short block and nothing else vested.
07-23-2006, 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 383ss
I had not heard that? can you share some info?
I have heard quite a few bad stories about eagle cranks and throwing bearings.
I have heard quite a few bad stories about eagle cranks and throwing bearings.
07-27-2006, 07:44 PM
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my ls1 MID (sleeving done by RED) 427 so far from intake to oilpan has run me 20,000
everything is coated and i mean everything , ETP 255 heads, Ported ETP Vic intake the only thing i didnt do was the block girdle & billet caps.
so 7k for a short block isnt bad at all
everything is coated and i mean everything , ETP 255 heads, Ported ETP Vic intake the only thing i didnt do was the block girdle & billet caps.
so 7k for a short block isnt bad at all
07-28-2006, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Blown04Z06
I got a quote from LME back in feb, here is what they said... keep in mind i bought a brand new in the crate wrapped up LS2 bare block $800. so they were going to be using my block and taking 1k off their standard price.
Hello,
The break down for the 427" LS2 is as follows:
LME Blueprinted, Balanced & Assembled Short Block
3 Axis CNC installation of Darton LS2 dry sleeves in your block.
Line Honed to low of spec with ARP main studs.
Surfaced w/ BHJ deck true fixture to optimal deck height for application.
Cylinders are bored 90deg. to the mains on CNC.
Torque Plate Honed according to application
Balanced to 1/4 oz. in. tolerance
Meticulous assembled with clearances adjusted accordingly.
Parts:
Eagle 4340 4.0" crankshaft
Callies 6.125" H beam rods w/ ARP 2000 7/16" bolts
Wiseco custom forged nitrous pistons w/ lateral gas ports (any comp. ratio available)
NPR stainless chrome top rings .047 .047 3mm (the rings offer less friction, excelent wear properties and will hold up to high heat conditions.
Federal Mogal 152M mains, Clevite CB 663 H rods and Dura Bond CH-23 cam bearings
ARP main studs
All oil galley and water jacket plugs installed.
The 427cu.in. LS2 shortblock discribed above is 5199.
A shorblock with shelf Wiseco nitrous pistons is 5049. and less lead time.
LME offers many options based on the goals for your car. Feel free to give us a call or email with any questions .
We look forward to talking with you.
Sincerely,
Bryan Neelen
LME
713-849-4505
Hello,
The break down for the 427" LS2 is as follows:
LME Blueprinted, Balanced & Assembled Short Block
3 Axis CNC installation of Darton LS2 dry sleeves in your block.
Line Honed to low of spec with ARP main studs.
Surfaced w/ BHJ deck true fixture to optimal deck height for application.
Cylinders are bored 90deg. to the mains on CNC.
Torque Plate Honed according to application
Balanced to 1/4 oz. in. tolerance
Meticulous assembled with clearances adjusted accordingly.
Parts:
Eagle 4340 4.0" crankshaft
Callies 6.125" H beam rods w/ ARP 2000 7/16" bolts
Wiseco custom forged nitrous pistons w/ lateral gas ports (any comp. ratio available)
NPR stainless chrome top rings .047 .047 3mm (the rings offer less friction, excelent wear properties and will hold up to high heat conditions.
Federal Mogal 152M mains, Clevite CB 663 H rods and Dura Bond CH-23 cam bearings
ARP main studs
All oil galley and water jacket plugs installed.
The 427cu.in. LS2 shortblock discribed above is 5199.
A shorblock with shelf Wiseco nitrous pistons is 5049. and less lead time.
LME offers many options based on the goals for your car. Feel free to give us a call or email with any questions .
We look forward to talking with you.
Sincerely,
Bryan Neelen
LME
713-849-4505
07-28-2006, 04:34 PM
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A budget short block should cost under $6000, since 402/8 shortblocks sell for $4000, and sleeving costs less than $2000. I don't understand the high cost of 427 shortblocks, since they share practically the same parts cost internally as 402/8 shortblocks.
The 4.125" bore will let you run LS7 heads and intake manifold, which will save you money compared to using a FAST intake with AFR heads. A 427 longblock with a LS7 top shouldn't cost much more than a 402/8 once the LS7 heads are more readily available and we get cheaper shortblocks. Theoretically speaking...
The 4.125" bore will let you run LS7 heads and intake manifold, which will save you money compared to using a FAST intake with AFR heads. A 427 longblock with a LS7 top shouldn't cost much more than a 402/8 once the LS7 heads are more readily available and we get cheaper shortblocks. Theoretically speaking...
07-28-2006, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by VictionOne
A budget short block should cost under $6000, since 402/8 shortblocks sell for $4000, and sleeving costs less than $2000. I don't understand the high cost of 427 shortblocks, since they share practically the same parts cost internally as 402/8 shortblocks.
The 4.125" bore will let you run LS7 heads and intake manifold, which will save you money compared to using a FAST intake with AFR heads. A 427 longblock with a LS7 top shouldn't cost much more than a 402/8 once the LS7 heads are more readily available and we get cheaper shortblocks. Theoretically speaking...
The 4.125" bore will let you run LS7 heads and intake manifold, which will save you money compared to using a FAST intake with AFR heads. A 427 longblock with a LS7 top shouldn't cost much more than a 402/8 once the LS7 heads are more readily available and we get cheaper shortblocks. Theoretically speaking...
you see exactly what i have seen for several months now. the shop that took my LS2 block and turned it into a 403 (4.005 pistons) quoted me over 7k for a LS2 427 stating that the block alone would take another $2300 in machine work to turn it into a 427, seems to be some inflating of prices when hitting that "mystical number" of 427. the most true and honest people i have spoken to about having a 427 built on a budget was LME and what they quoted me they put in writing and sent it in an email so there would be no fidgetting around with price later on. if i had an extra 2k to spend at the time, i would have opted for the 427 by LME. i had the block brand new and ready to go. i went to a local shop that is a forum vendor on eagle 4" crank, eagle H beam rods, diamond pistons and rings, arp hardware, all balanced and blue printed and out the door spent $3150. i now notice on their website they are offering a 427 at $6950.00 so they have even changed their pricing to fit the demand of a cheaper 427 option.
after im done with the 402 and take it to the max of getting every bit of power out of it and its not where i wanted it to be. ill be starting over with a LME LS2 427 SB, LS7 heads, Intake/TB and an LG LS7 cam.
