rwhp numbers LE vs AI
03-04-2009, 11:24 PM
#61
+1..His set up prob went wrong due to installing it wrong. Speed Demon seems to be the only one that's had problem with a LE set up and he loves to post up his time slips all over the place. You should just use them as your "SIG picture" already. Getting pretty old to say the least. LET'S SEE SOME PROOF OF YOUR FAULTY "LE" SET UP 
Until then can it.
Until then can it..2 and 2 mph can be attributed to density altitude(weather) among other things.
Also were the cams in the two setup comparable as far as numbers go?
Just so everyone knows, LE ported the heads on my car. No they are not stock castings. I expect some 10.30's out of my car when I get a different converter and a drag rear swaybar on the car. With some weight reduction...who knows? Turd still weighs 3600 with me in it.
03-05-2009, 12:49 AM
#63
I think dyno GRAPHS are actually worth comparing, and here's why.
Aside from driving the car down a track and on the street, a dyno graph is one of the best ways to tell what kind of power the car is making.
Notice I didnt say how much power, but what kind
In essence, I could give a crap less how much peak HP a setup makes, I want to know about area under the curve.
THAT is what makes a car "fast", fun to drive on the street, and consistent.
A guy said it already, he walked a vette both ET and MPH wise who had a higher dyno number than him. Thats why area under the curve is so important.
I'd like to see more graphs of both, so we can compare the shape of the curve, and not so much the peak numbers.
That's what I'm shooting for in my car, and I think I know which company can help me achieve that
Aside from driving the car down a track and on the street, a dyno graph is one of the best ways to tell what kind of power the car is making.
Notice I didnt say how much power, but what kind
In essence, I could give a crap less how much peak HP a setup makes, I want to know about area under the curve.
THAT is what makes a car "fast", fun to drive on the street, and consistent.
A guy said it already, he walked a vette both ET and MPH wise who had a higher dyno number than him. Thats why area under the curve is so important.
I'd like to see more graphs of both, so we can compare the shape of the curve, and not so much the peak numbers.
That's what I'm shooting for in my car, and I think I know which company can help me achieve that
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03-05-2009, 02:04 AM
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If you mean to check out how ramp rates behave per given rpm then sure it's great, but that doesn't tell you a whole lot other than driveability info.
Problem with ramp rates is they too can be effected by peak numbers given as well as the thousands of variables from dyno to dyno.
Best way to compare is car owners learn how to drive their setup and said two cars run side by side at the same track, same day, same bat time and same bat channel. Anything else is just hootenanny hogwash....
Posting dyno sheets on the internet to show what kind of power was made with no ET's to back it up is a great way to e-extend an ego yet means absolutely nothing. I find when that happens people are either a) too far away to run at a local track. b) can't drive worth a tinkers damn and are too embarrassed to put up their times. c) are nothing more than dyno queens with no intention of running at a track yet LOVE to e-argue how their dyno numberz r lyke the alsomezt f0 lyfe!
Problem with ramp rates is they too can be effected by peak numbers given as well as the thousands of variables from dyno to dyno.
Best way to compare is car owners learn how to drive their setup and said two cars run side by side at the same track, same day, same bat time and same bat channel. Anything else is just hootenanny hogwash....
Posting dyno sheets on the internet to show what kind of power was made with no ET's to back it up is a great way to e-extend an ego yet means absolutely nothing. I find when that happens people are either a) too far away to run at a local track. b) can't drive worth a tinkers damn and are too embarrassed to put up their times. c) are nothing more than dyno queens with no intention of running at a track yet LOVE to e-argue how their dyno numberz r lyke the alsomezt f0 lyfe!
03-05-2009, 06:10 AM
#65
The only real valid way to compare dyno numbers would be to run the smae transmission, rear-end, etc......
Person a could dyno their car with a 6-speed going through the 10-bolt
Person b could dyno their car with a big stalled auto going through a 9-inch.
If that were the case it would be pretty hard to get any accurate info.
Both of these companies have produced nearly the same results. A shitload of cars in the 12's and 11's, a handful in the 10's. That is what you can expect when you order their stuff. Rick Abares car shouldn't even count, it's not a street car plain and simple. It's a Super Stock Eliminator car that happens to have some AI parts on it.
Person a could dyno their car with a 6-speed going through the 10-bolt
Person b could dyno their car with a big stalled auto going through a 9-inch.
If that were the case it would be pretty hard to get any accurate info.
Both of these companies have produced nearly the same results. A shitload of cars in the 12's and 11's, a handful in the 10's. That is what you can expect when you order their stuff. Rick Abares car shouldn't even count, it's not a street car plain and simple. It's a Super Stock Eliminator car that happens to have some AI parts on it.
03-05-2009, 09:26 AM
#69
I like it when people spit out the latest "fad" terminology, like "area under the curve". The curve of WHAT?
HERE is what makes a car FAST, its called AVERAGE POWER, over your entire rpm RANGE. When you shift a six speed car, say you shift it at 6900 rpm, this will give you a second gear beginning point of 4400 ish to start that gear off. If your car is "dead" in the torque curve right there(4400 ish) guess what. Its gonna run like do do. No matter what gear is in the rear, the spread will be the same, more gear in the rear will only move it through the bad spot quicker.
HERE is what makes a car FAST, its called AVERAGE POWER, over your entire rpm RANGE. When you shift a six speed car, say you shift it at 6900 rpm, this will give you a second gear beginning point of 4400 ish to start that gear off. If your car is "dead" in the torque curve right there(4400 ish) guess what. Its gonna run like do do. No matter what gear is in the rear, the spread will be the same, more gear in the rear will only move it through the bad spot quicker.
03-05-2009, 10:33 AM
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both are great companies with great results
but the big difference to me is I got to speak directly with lloyd the first time I called for 15-20min like we were good friends, I was only buying a cam from him not giving him a ton of business but felt like I was a very valued customer no matter what my purchase. whereas AI didn't even give me the pleasure of being put on hold after the 5th try.
personally I'd rather buy something from a company that makes me feel valued than one that makes me feel like I'm not worth their time
but the big difference to me is I got to speak directly with lloyd the first time I called for 15-20min like we were good friends, I was only buying a cam from him not giving him a ton of business but felt like I was a very valued customer no matter what my purchase. whereas AI didn't even give me the pleasure of being put on hold after the 5th try.
personally I'd rather buy something from a company that makes me feel valued than one that makes me feel like I'm not worth their time
03-05-2009, 10:53 AM
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i think the OP should get a set of the other company's head that he is not using and put it on the dyno and then show us the results, the only true way to see a difference since most cars are set up different
03-05-2009, 10:56 AM
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and to be honest, that's why lloyd is getting my business. i know i could get power from both and maybe AI would get me a little more...but i sent lloyd an email asking a couple questions, he responded that same day with like a 7 paragraph response. i personally haven't tried to even contact AI and maybe they'd do the same, but i went to lloyd first, got answers and he took time to sit there and answer my questions in detail the first time. that's why i'll be choosing him.
03-05-2009, 11:41 AM
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As far as the earlier comment being made about tracks having more variables than a dyno, well maybe, so then ask why it matters, a car making more power could run slower than a car making less if it's not setup right & vise versa.
In a perfect world, their would be perfectly setup cars, perfectly crafted cylinder heads a perfect weight bias, bla, bla, bla. Good thing there's Walgreens!!!
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03-05-2009, 11:46 AM
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and to be honest, that's why lloyd is getting my business. i know i could get power from both and maybe AI would get me a little more...but i sent lloyd an email asking a couple questions, he responded that same day with like a 7 paragraph response. i personally haven't tried to even contact AI and maybe they'd do the same, but i went to lloyd first, got answers and he took time to sit there and answer my questions in detail the first time. that's why i'll be choosing him.
03-05-2009, 11:53 AM
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Hahahaha! Thanks...I love telling folks I run a lil 226/234 cam...I have to credit Joe Overton for that...I could have gone bigger and most said that Joe's selection was wayyy too small...He assured me that the car would drive look a stocker and run like a race car...Thanks Joe...Remember that my first cam was an even weenier LPE 211/219...
And I'm still at 3625 lbs or something like that...Hate to think what would happen with a little weight reduction...Hell I lost 35 lbs since my divorce...mmmmmm.....
And I think Ai carries a similar cam...That would be a good choice..
--Alan
And I'm still at 3625 lbs or something like that...Hate to think what would happen with a little weight reduction...Hell I lost 35 lbs since my divorce...mmmmmm.....
And I think Ai carries a similar cam...That would be a good choice..--Alan
smart ***!
03-05-2009, 01:30 PM
#77
I would rather not spend hours searching, since the search function sucks and I never get what im looking for.
If you look at my dyno it should run pretty damn good. TQ curve is great.
Keep in mind that it has a S60 during the dyno, 17 rims and heavy tires, and now has 3"TDs.
With the 10bolt the car made 411 with NO cut out, then it picked up 17rwhp with a cut out, Now it has TDs
I would bet 435-440 Hp If i put the 10bolt back in to dyno it, but im not
If you look at my dyno it should run pretty damn good. TQ curve is great.
Keep in mind that it has a S60 during the dyno, 17 rims and heavy tires, and now has 3"TDs.
With the 10bolt the car made 411 with NO cut out, then it picked up 17rwhp with a cut out, Now it has TDs
I would bet 435-440 Hp If i put the 10bolt back in to dyno it, but im not