You just don't get it. Gear and tire selection is just as crucial to optimize a setup as heads are to a cam, and you also have far lighter wheels which can make a significant difference whether you want to believe it or not. I am going through the same thing right now with my car and have done so in the past.
I used to have a Lingenfelter setup. It had 4.11 gears in my 12 bolt. I ran a best of 12.28 @ 114.2mph with a 1.70 60' time. I knew I was too far past my power peak for such a gear. I put in 3.73's and ran a new best of 12.09 @ 115.5 with a 1.75 60' time. Even now with my current setup I have 3.73 gears and am going through the traps at 4000rpm. I need a steeper gear. It's the same thing.
Now as far as your blind accusation is concerned regarding having an appreciation for "other companies..." I do. I have a great respect for those who are CONSISTENT in putting out a quality product. I respect companies past and present. I am originally a huge fan of Lingenfelter for obvious reasons. I have been so since the 4th gen made its debut and loved reading the articles how LPE would trounce all over other aftermarket companies' efforts. I liked what MTI was doing back in the mid and late 90's. I liked Craig Gallant at GTP while he was still in business working his mojo with his hand ported heads and 306 cam which were running just as good and better ET's today than some of those setups you see that have that sooper secret hush hush cam that is brainwashed into those who think their extra cash was well spent. I like what AI is doing these days. As stated I have seen some real disasters come out of LE's shop and have seen such work from years ago to just very recently. Even though Craig is no longer in the public eye porting heads I would trust him far more with a set of my LT1 heads over Lloyd. That is just the way it is. You or any other faithful Lloyd follower can whine about it all you want, but it will not sway my opinion.
I do wish you the best of luck with your setup. As I have stated, your car is very noteworthy out of all LE setups that are at least known on the car forums, but I have reasons for what I have stated. No reason to state them again.

 

You are still 1mph off my trap with lighter wheels/tires, better gearing, e-wp, and a ported intake, and a lighter chassis which shows you are making significantly less power than me.


Why do you keep ignoring the fact that I previously had an LE2 setup which basically self destructed within 3000 miles, and I'm not the only person who had the same issues. If I didn't catch it as soon as I did it would have taken out my whole longblock.

Here's some pictures of my old heads which I'm sure you will also ignore...

Keep in mind these heads had ~3000 miles on them with new bronze liners installed in the guides...

http://s86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t=100_0363.flv

Porting broke through the bolt holes and pushrod pinch with no attempt to patch it




So much for hand porting consistency....









So much for 205cc runners as advertised...



Nice valve job seal




Lifter taking dmg from valve float



15 more just like this using the recommended pushrod length


LE2 218cc flow vs 200cc Ai heads



As far as results

LE dyno


Ai dyno


LE timeslip


Ai timeslip



So as you can see I have actual experience with both companies on the same shortblock/car/suspension/gearing and the timeslips even have the exact same 60'. I gained 25rwhp and 2mph in the 1/4 switching setups and going from a ported intake to a stock intake, and so far my Ai heads haven't self destructed yet.

So as a recap on my car.
LE2 setup with the same mods + ported intake...................118mph 405rwhp
Ai setup with the same mods with a stock unported intake 120mph 430rwhp with a miss

 

Wanna race? Ill be at the shootout, and untill LE does me wrong, I will support him!
BTW way my car is faster than yours!

 

^^LOL Yeah man get it on!!

 

Lol, good response.

He posted an A/B comparison on every single aspect of the offerings and your response avoided all of them.

So long as you are happy with your car, that is all anyone can ask for.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I saw this **** up for the last few days and dident even want to look at it. This is great. I havent had the money to do either, i just know that theyr both good.

 

Would you care to share your latest LE testimony? It's a known fact your engine is broken, however you have yet to reveal why...

 

 

LOL! Im just messing with them!
Theres AI 200cc cars trapping 110 so everything is apples to oranges, if every head is the exact same how could this be??? I actually have a copy of a AI set up with the 200cc heads & identical AI cam to mine and my cars dyno is much better. Both mine and his are brand new set ups with = apples to apples mods, but he still has the 10bolt also.
I do understand that SD24 got a bad set of heads or whatever happened and can see why he doesnt like LE anymore, but there are way more happy customers then unhappy customers. Hes also compairing an old set of LE heads/cam to new AI stuff, again not really an apples to apples, argument. I know all about Elliotts94z car!

 

Tell me you're smarter than what this statement says.

 

Yeah, speed racer got a bummer set of heads, but he is showing some stretched data. He compares the exhaust valve flow at .800" of an inch. I'd love to see someone run a cam in an LT1 with .800" lift. Yes the exhaust numbers were inconsistent at .500" as well, but it isn't nearly as critical on the exhaust side. If you think every one of your cylinders breathes the same on the exhaust side ESPECIALLY with headers you are nuts. Go look at your header tubes. Cylinder #1 has more length and more bends in it than cylinder #7 every time. The intake numbers need to be consistent. Look at the LE intake numbers, they are DAMN consistent for a hand porting job. Also, the valve job with the light shining through....looks like the valve is lifted about .100" off the seat to me. Nice and fuzzy pic there. I'll agree that the ccing of the ports was way off though, no other way to put it. 13+ extra cc's is unacceptable.

speed racer---when did you run the LE stuff? I'm curious to know if there has been any changes to what he sells now. Maybe you were running stuff from when he firts came into the market. There is one local guy around here that has LE2 heads/cam, and the car runs strong as hell. He got his stuff back in '06 I believe.

 

Two bad piston rings. Hope that puts an end to the curiosity

 

Just something i saw in the fastest LTX list, and thought Id share.
Obviously there are alot of factors and I dont know what the DA was but its 1475ft above sea level, and its a 383, m6. It is what it is, just a repost.

Heres the qoute.

went 12.5 @ 110 n/a 383 a/i 200cc headed 95 z28 m6 at bristol, tn. first time out since build. 90 some degrees and i think the da is bad here...i'm kind of an idot on that stuff. but newayz lookin for 11s on motor b4 i kick the boost in a bottle to her. names Brandon Yates if yall wanna add me

 

You are posting a car that you KNOW is having issues as a representative example. It goes to your integrity that you would pass that off in the way you are.

I freely admit that even an LE headed 383 should run faster than that and would obviously be having issues if it ran 12.5 at 110.

That car has the same potentional as any other Ai headed 383, but the budget, location and knowledge/ability of the owner are all factors that affect potential results.

 

I have no idea about that car but he does not mention any probs and his elevation isnt that bad. Could be his set up? who knows? But he felt confident enough to take it to the strip and thats what it ran! 12.5 could be a number of issues, but the 110MPh is not impressive.
I also believe most poor performing cars, the owner did not research, and they are not using the proper supporting mods, their porter/builder recomended for optimum performace or things were not measured/ clearanced correcty during install.

 

Did you spray the engine? Run it overly lean? What led to the ring failure?

 

I bolded the only part worth mentioning.

 

I've pegged the speedo in 5th a few times spraying a 150 shot on my old heads/gm846 combo , the stock bottom end's are stronger than people give them credit for if you have a good tune with quality parts on it.

 

Generally the bottom end is, but the pistons are not. Some clearly (as in your case) last longer than others, but as a general statement the stockers are on borrowed time with nitrous and/or subjected to a lean conditions and detonation.

 

Nope. It now makes me even more curious. How did that happen? Speed Inc. blew your engine up while tuning it on the dyno? That takes a whole lot of not knowing what is going on to do that to a N/A engine.