AI or LE
Another dang measuring contest this has turned out to be.
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Hey speed demon. I have a question for you. I got this "anonymous" pm yesterday from someone on here. Care to elaborate on it?
So, if this pm is correct...you had them "ported" somewhere else FIRST, and then you sent them to LE to try to "fix" them? Hrmm..............I guess you must have forgot to mention that.
In case you didn't know, those heads had already been ported (or more descriptively "butchered") by somebody else. He sent the heads to Lloyd to try and "fix" them. That's why he ended up with the huge, inconsistent ports.
Of course he naturally "forgets" to mention this in all these threads. Feel free to call him on it, Lloyd will (and has already in past threads) confirm.
I'm going to be busy the next couple days and don't feel like starting an argument with the Army of AI Nutswingers at the moment. As you can see from the above, when people stoop to such levels of dishonesty, it's a waste of time anyway.
Of course he naturally "forgets" to mention this in all these threads. Feel free to call him on it, Lloyd will (and has already in past threads) confirm.
I'm going to be busy the next couple days and don't feel like starting an argument with the Army of AI Nutswingers at the moment. As you can see from the above, when people stoop to such levels of dishonesty, it's a waste of time anyway.
Hey speed demon. I have a question for you. I got this "anonymous" pm yesterday from someone on here. Care to elaborate on it?
So, if this pm is correct...you had them "ported" somewhere else FIRST, and then you sent them to LE to try to "fix" them? Hrmm..............I guess you must have forgot to mention that.
So, if this pm is correct...you had them "ported" somewhere else FIRST, and then you sent them to LE to try to "fix" them? Hrmm..............I guess you must have forgot to mention that.
Hey speed demon. I have a question for you. I got this "anonymous" pm yesterday from someone on here. Care to elaborate on it?
So, if this pm is correct...you had them "ported" somewhere else FIRST, and then you sent them to LE to try to "fix" them? Hrmm..............I guess you must have forgot to mention that.
So, if this pm is correct...you had them "ported" somewhere else FIRST, and then you sent them to LE to try to "fix" them? Hrmm..............I guess you must have forgot to mention that.
I will give AI one thing though, by only accepting one type of casting and using a CNC program they are able to crank those widgets out. One size fits all, right?
Last edited by ulakovic22; May 26, 2009 at 08:09 AM.
Hey speed demon. I have a question for you. I got this "anonymous" pm yesterday from someone on here. Care to elaborate on it?
So, if this pm is correct...you had them "ported" somewhere else FIRST, and then you sent them to LE to try to "fix" them? Hrmm..............I guess you must have forgot to mention that.
So, if this pm is correct...you had them "ported" somewhere else FIRST, and then you sent them to LE to try to "fix" them? Hrmm..............I guess you must have forgot to mention that.
Ask the "anonymous" person why he won't answer simple questions.
http://www.hardcorels1.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=2949
And Lloyd didn't "fix" anything, as I understand it (and the results support that). He had a light port job along the lines of a clean up and smoothing. lloyd told him the heads would be fine to port and to send them over. Seems like poor judgement to work on something that could end up poorly for the buyer.
Yes that is correct. Speed maintains that it wasn't an issue and that Lloyd said it wouldn't effect the performance of the heads. I think one time when he was asked for pictures of the old heads he said he didn't take any or couldn't find them and all he has are the pictures after he got them back from Lloyd. In all his arguements he also says that he ran the recommended PR length, I've never heard him say that he actually measured and setup the valvetrain correctly, just that he used the "recommended" parts. I've always wondered, given the number of LE setups out there, why haven't there been more issues if Lloyd puts outs horrible setups that self destruct? I know people will say they are out there and not everyone posts on the internet or whatever, but if we are sticking to facts then it's all hearsay because there isn't any evidence. I'm sure I can make up some theoretical AI customers that have issues. They're friends of my friends second cousin or some **** like that
I will give AI one thing though, by only accepting one type of casting and using a CNC program they are able to crank those widgets out. One size fits all, right?
I will give AI one thing though, by only accepting one type of casting and using a CNC program they are able to crank those widgets out. One size fits all, right?
And there are more setups, at the exact same time SD had his problems a guy on the Impalla forums had the EXACT same issue.
People must not read or either get me mixed up with ACHOTROD. SS RRR Let's set it straight... SpeedInc has never touched my car, seen my car or sold me anything for my car. Nor has my car ever left Oregon. Elliot,
Piston rings? Care to elaborate on this?
You are protecting a hack. Stop it.
Piston rings? Care to elaborate on this?
The heads I had purchased from Lloyd had been taken down way too much and the valves were hitting the pistons. Myself and to sponsors on here that did the swap could only come up with that being the issue. We actually measured stock height vs his and I think I either got LE3 heads by mistake or whomever he grabbed the heads from previously messed around with them and he didn't realize it. He is sending me new heads.
I didn't want to post this up for Lloyds sake. I deleted my other thread last week after I found out.
Elliott
I didn't want to post this up for Lloyds sake. I deleted my other thread last week after I found out.
Elliott
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Launching!
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 292
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From: Arkansas
You are still 1mph off my trap with lighter wheels/tires, better gearing, e-wp, and a ported intake, and a lighter chassis which shows you are making significantly less power than me.
Why do you keep ignoring the fact that I previously had an LE2 setup which basically self destructed within 3000 miles, and I'm not the only person who had the same issues. If I didn't catch it as soon as I did it would have taken out my whole longblock.
Here's some pictures of my old heads which I'm sure you will also ignore...
Keep in mind these heads had ~3000 miles on them with new bronze liners installed in the guides...
http://s86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t=100_0363.flv
Porting broke through the bolt holes and pushrod pinch with no attempt to patch it
So much for hand porting consistency....
So much for 205cc runners as advertised...
Nice valve job seal
Lifter taking dmg from valve float
15 more just like this using the recommended pushrod length
LE2 218cc flow vs 200cc Ai heads
As far as results
LE dyno
Ai dyno
LE timeslip
Ai timeslip
So as you can see I have actual experience with both companies on the same shortblock/car/suspension/gearing and the timeslips even have the exact same 60'. I gained 25rwhp and 2mph in the 1/4 switching setups and going from a ported intake to a stock intake, and so far my Ai heads haven't self destructed yet.
So as a recap on my car.
LE2 setup with the same mods + ported intake...................118mph 405rwhp
Ai setup with the same mods with a stock unported intake 120mph 430rwhp with a miss
Why do you keep ignoring the fact that I previously had an LE2 setup which basically self destructed within 3000 miles, and I'm not the only person who had the same issues. If I didn't catch it as soon as I did it would have taken out my whole longblock.
Here's some pictures of my old heads which I'm sure you will also ignore...
Keep in mind these heads had ~3000 miles on them with new bronze liners installed in the guides...
http://s86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t=100_0363.flv
Porting broke through the bolt holes and pushrod pinch with no attempt to patch it
So much for hand porting consistency....
So much for 205cc runners as advertised...
Nice valve job seal
Lifter taking dmg from valve float
15 more just like this using the recommended pushrod length
LE2 218cc flow vs 200cc Ai heads
As far as results
LE dyno
Ai dyno
LE timeslip
Ai timeslip
So as you can see I have actual experience with both companies on the same shortblock/car/suspension/gearing and the timeslips even have the exact same 60'. I gained 25rwhp and 2mph in the 1/4 switching setups and going from a ported intake to a stock intake, and so far my Ai heads haven't self destructed yet.
So as a recap on my car.
LE2 setup with the same mods + ported intake...................118mph 405rwhp
Ai setup with the same mods with a stock unported intake 120mph 430rwhp with a miss
This:
The heads I had purchased from Lloyd had been taken down way too much and the valves were hitting the pistons. Myself and to sponsors on here that did the swap could only come up with that being the issue.
Lloyd has done this with others as well. Seems sometimes his port work could be judged on a Monday thru Friday basis...
Teching In
Joined: Feb 2009
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From: Stevenson,WA
Deny deny deny. Hell it worked for OJ. You are saying all of what you wrote in that statement is false?
This:
Is not true then? So how is it bad piston rings require a new set of heads? You are saying valves did not hit the pistons?
Lloyd has done this with others as well. Seems sometimes his port work could be judged on a Monday thru Friday basis...
This:
Is not true then? So how is it bad piston rings require a new set of heads? You are saying valves did not hit the pistons?
Lloyd has done this with others as well. Seems sometimes his port work could be judged on a Monday thru Friday basis...
Simple questions, Elliot. Of course you don't want to participate because you know what you have stated about these piston rings is false. The Jedi Mind Trick LE has on you is unbelievably strong. Why you would lie about this is beyond me...
Hand porting sucks. It is not a fun job at all. I sympathize with those who hand port. It takes a real talent to do so and produce something noteworthy, however if you are going to try and make a living out of doing so then it would be a good idea to care about every single component you or your employees touch before being sent off to a customer. This is why Craig from GTP is no longer. He became a rock star in a very short period of time, got way too big for his outfit (his shop was extremely small), had to hire others to help him out, he didn't have time or chose not to run strict QC on what went out of his shop, several received either bad customer service or bad quality heads and his rep. was destroyed.
Falsely stated huh...I beg to differ. Why would I lie about that? Add these pictures to your scrap book champion.
You state you and two sponsors from this site concluded valves contacted the pistons causing damage. Once again the question must be posed, why is LE then responsible for having to send you new heads over cracked piston rings?
Dude give it up my friend. Why are you so interested in what took place with my build. There was more to it then bad piston rings. Don't worry about LE and what him and I have figured out between one another. Get on with your day because you are not going to get anything else from me.
Dude give it up my friend. Why are you so interested in what took place with my build. There was more to it then bad piston rings. Don't worry about LE and what him and I have figured out between one another. Get on with your day because you are not going to get anything else from me.
So yes, there is more to the story than "cracked piston rings." It is a little fishy that you would claim such ridiculousness and have the PCV valve blow out of the intake because of excessive blow-by. Of course I can't verify that now because it seems you deleted that thread as well. Why so secretive if cracked piston rings are to blame? I guess part of the bargaining of you getting new LE heads and maybe a rebuild on your block is if you didn't publicize this? As stated, your lies are protecting a hack so that some other poor bastard can go through the same thing.
Some do call me secret agent man. Have a good day man.