poll le2 vs ai 190 vs new trickflow
People are to scared to try them lol 
02-08-2010, 09:06 AM
#22
Either AI or LE will get you there.
I vote AI because of their quality AND CONSISTENCY. I've seen many of the familiar heads in the hands of an engine builder I know very well, and the AI heads are the only ones so far to never have any dimensional or setup glitch of all the heads he and I have seen.
I vote AI because of their quality AND CONSISTENCY. I've seen many of the familiar heads in the hands of an engine builder I know very well, and the AI heads are the only ones so far to never have any dimensional or setup glitch of all the heads he and I have seen.
02-08-2010, 11:24 AM
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AI 190 on passengers side.
Trick flow on drivers side
No but seriously any of those heads will get you there. honestly, your better off porting the stock heads though. Many people making (relatively) big HP numbers are still running stock ported heads.
Trick flow on drivers side
No but seriously any of those heads will get you there. honestly, your better off porting the stock heads though. Many people making (relatively) big HP numbers are still running stock ported heads.
02-08-2010, 11:48 AM
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^^^ I agree, and when power levels pass what the factory heads can support they normally move up to AI TFS 215cc.
My vote is for AI, just check out 96capriceMGR running 11.95 @113 with a 4200lb raceweight, and running AI GM 190cc.
My vote is for AI, just check out 96capriceMGR running 11.95 @113 with a 4200lb raceweight, and running AI GM 190cc.
02-08-2010, 05:24 PM
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on top of ghramar, i cant read ai has sent me quotes and tried to get ahold of me by email. thanks everyone for your opions ill figure out my budget and see what way im gonna go
02-08-2010, 07:24 PM
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Like stated, both are more then capable of your goals. You really need to spend time on suspension, a great tune, and dialing everything in though to make things easier.
Old times, he picked up ~2 tenths with their 200cc package.
Old times, he picked up ~2 tenths with their 200cc package.
02-08-2010, 11:25 PM
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No offense either but you have no idea what your LE heads were capable of or how they performed. CNC is always pretty, doent mean better.
If it did the sport would never progress. Dont tell me you could look at them and tell one preforms better than the other.
If it did the sport would never progress. Dont tell me you could look at them and tell one preforms better than the other.
02-09-2010, 09:03 AM
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Simple fact is, you can not compare CC'd heads to your ported LE's. AI heads have been proven to out perform LE's at the track and on the dyno. I think you may be a little butt hurt being you are stuck with yours and 95% of everyone else is going a different route and showing better results. If you can honestly say Lloyds heads are evenly matched with Advanced Induction then you probably look at yourself in the mirror everyday and tell yourself you have the fastest LTx car on this site. Which we all know isn't the case. Splash some water on your face, take a deep breath and come to realization that you are indeed incorrect with your statements.
02-09-2010, 09:19 AM
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When the proper time is put into them hand porting beats CNC any day. The problem is that CNC porters can drop their prices and make heads quicker, so the hand porters are forced to either raise their prices and sell less, or spend less time on each head at the cost of performance. An ideal head, barring price, would be a repeatable CNC'd casting finished up by a skilled hand porter.
As for the unavoidable LE/AI crap, I'd say they are much similar then some would want you to think. IMO the AI 200s seem to be more comparable to the LE3s then the LE2s though. Its a shame the results are so skewed due to the low quality builds using just the heads and off the shelf cams, and the imitation heads floating around that were ported by Joe Blow but the seller dropped a big porters name on the for sale ad to trick buyers.
BTW: IBTL
As for the unavoidable LE/AI crap, I'd say they are much similar then some would want you to think. IMO the AI 200s seem to be more comparable to the LE3s then the LE2s though. Its a shame the results are so skewed due to the low quality builds using just the heads and off the shelf cams, and the imitation heads floating around that were ported by Joe Blow but the seller dropped a big porters name on the for sale ad to trick buyers.
BTW: IBTL
02-09-2010, 11:14 AM
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If I remeber correctly, the Install went bad and never gave the LE stuff a chance.
You guys are funny. WHAT RESULTS?????? AIs website???????
Bruce, Im not stuck with anything I could buy AI heads today and change them in my garage. Not worth it IMO.
Show me one similar car to mine, going faster or making more power. Proven time and time again?????? Show me the proof. Theres only one on this site and all in all he has less than 1mph in the 1/4 and hes using a 10bolt wich is worth way more than 1mph.
BTW I dont think my car is even close to the fastest Lt on this site or any other site, but it sure can hold its own against any similar AI package. I also have nothing against AI and love that they are also producing great products and pushing the envelope for us LTXers. Both companies put out killer products. In the end it boils down to customer service & to me Lloyd is top notch.
You guys are funny. WHAT RESULTS?????? AIs website???????
Bruce, Im not stuck with anything I could buy AI heads today and change them in my garage. Not worth it IMO.
Show me one similar car to mine, going faster or making more power. Proven time and time again?????? Show me the proof. Theres only one on this site and all in all he has less than 1mph in the 1/4 and hes using a 10bolt wich is worth way more than 1mph.
BTW I dont think my car is even close to the fastest Lt on this site or any other site, but it sure can hold its own against any similar AI package. I also have nothing against AI and love that they are also producing great products and pushing the envelope for us LTXers. Both companies put out killer products. In the end it boils down to customer service & to me Lloyd is top notch.
02-09-2010, 12:01 PM
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Lloyd's heads have been in the 9's, but so has AI's, Eric Bradby's, AFR's, GM LT4's, PortPro's and countless others. I do not believe one product is necessarily inferior to another but to say Hand Porting is not as good as CNC is wrong. Folks need to understand that pretty doesn't equal better. If you don't believe me talk to the BIG names in head porting. No offense to anyone, but the BIG names are not AI or Lloyd Elliott.
This fight will go on forever, I don't even know why I post anything about it because everyone has the choice to make themselves, and arguing isn't going to win anyone over who has already picked a side.
I will say that I do enjoy the time Lloyd puts into the forums, phone conversations, and his sponsorship for the LT1 community like the LTX Shootout.
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This fight will go on forever, I don't even know why I post anything about it because everyone has the choice to make themselves, and arguing isn't going to win anyone over who has already picked a side.
I will say that I do enjoy the time Lloyd puts into the forums, phone conversations, and his sponsorship for the LT1 community like the LTX Shootout.
-Dustin-