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Old 02-09-2010 | 04:43 PM
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Thats exactly why I went with LE and couldnt be happier!!
Me too, nobody to talk to you or call you back
Old 02-09-2010 | 05:10 PM
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How about we compare your car to mine.
Watch out AC,
Rumor has it that Cap can run 11's pulling a fishing boat.
Rumor also has it AI ported it too.
Dont get him started on the fishing boat.
Old 02-09-2010 | 05:19 PM
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no sir, I disagree with that. willing to bet you would see no difference at all
You dont think 20rwhp(I dynoed the car B4 and after) and about 100#s would make any difference???

96 like I said your car runs very well and is also a well thought out combo. When I can get my 60ft down to a respectable number and see what the car will really do. We can talk. As it is My car Out MPH yours but you have A better ET. PS I know all about the weight difference.

Hope to see you at the track again in spring. This time Ill bring keys lol

Oh I also changed cams since the last time I ran my car, Lloyd thinks the new cam is good for another 2mph and .2 tenths. I also added Strange DAs & springs upfront, comp 3ways out back, drag bar, and putting bigger tires out back.
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
You dont think 20rwhp(I dynoed the car B4 and after) and about 100#s would make any difference???

96 like I said your car runs very well and is also a well thought out combo. When I can get my 60ft down to a respectable number and see what the car will really do. We can talk. As it is My car Out MPH yours but you have A better ET. PS I know all about the weight difference.

Hope to see you at the track again in spring. This time Ill bring keys lol

Oh I also changed cams since the last time I ran my car, Lloyd thinks the new cam is good for another 2mph and .2 tenths. I also added Strange DAs & springs upfront, comp 3ways out back, drag bar, and putting bigger tires out back.
your rear end is 100# heavier than a stock one? why would you put that in your car?

You lost 20rwhp from that? I would have taken that bitch back out and found another option. I just dont think your story holds water pal.
Old 02-09-2010 | 06:39 PM
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speed demon, you also switched cams, Lloyd started with some heads that were already butchered to begin with that you sent him. The is besides the point,.

How about you put a set of AI heads and flow them each port individually. The Machine is only as good as the guy that made the program. Im not saying its going to be way off, who knows it might be right on. But you cant really throw that graph up to slam some ones dick in the door when you dont have one for the current heads your running.

AI puts out and awesome product. And if they wouldnt of treated me like **** the first time I called them they wouldve gotten my order, Instead I got off the phone with them called LE and ordered from him. I dont care how many tire kickers someone gets in a day when your in this Biz every call is a potential customer.

I honestly think if AIs customer service changes Ill run a set on my other car.
Old 02-09-2010 | 06:48 PM
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This topic has been beaten more than Tina Turners ***.

op I VOTE BUY THE TRICKFLOWS AND SEND THEM TO LLOYD

Have him port them and custom spec you a cam

Super nice guy to deal with and you cant go wrong with a Texan Hot Rodder
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Originally Posted by mdacton
your rear end is 100# heavier than a stock one? why would you put that in your car?

You lost 20rwhp from that? I would have taken that bitch back out and found another option. I just dont think your story holds water pal.
don't most aftermarket rear ends make you lose HP thru an auto? 12 bolts, Dana's, Moser's, Strange's, and Ford 9's are usually bigger than 10 bolts...and I would assume they weigh more. They may weigh more, but are obviously sturdier, and that leads me to believe people do it so they don't grenade the stock 10 bolt...
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The general consensus regarding the difference of hp loss between the stock and 12-bolt/9" rear is about 10rwhp.
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Originally Posted by mdacton
your rear end is 100# heavier than a stock one? why would you put that in your car?

You lost 20rwhp from that? I would have taken that bitch back out and found another option. I just dont think your story holds water pal.
Not sure what you dont understand.
My numbers might be off a bit but not by much.
Bone stock 10 bolt VS a DANA S60 with a 9.75" gears. 35 spline axles, and a Detroit True track.
Its the biggest beefiest rear you can get. Ford 9" typically loses more than the S60, but is lighter. I could throw in a spool and get some of that HP back and save some weight but that will take away from the cars streetability.
Old 02-09-2010 | 07:33 PM
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I really dont see that dana 60 being 100 pounds heavier. if it is thats sad

Like ssrrr said 10rwhp is what most people say is the norm, I say thats on the high side.....
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
Not sure what you dont understand.
My numbers might be off a bit but not by much.
Bone stock 10 bolt VS a DANA S60 with a 9.75" gears. 35 spline axles, and a Detroit True track.
Its the biggest beefiest rear you can get. Ford 9" typically loses more than the S60, but is lighter. I could throw in a spool and get some of that HP back and save some weight but that will take away from the cars streetability.
What does it matter anyway? It's pretty much a must to have a better diff. in these cars even in stock form when drag racing. I've read you state over and over just how much your **** would dyno or trap "if..." So what. I don't think there is a whole lot of anyone impressed by the asterisks you keep implying on your setup.
Old 02-09-2010 | 07:48 PM
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Yeah Its more like 50, and 15rwhp I wasnt thinking straight.
Old 02-09-2010 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
What does it matter anyway? It's pretty much a must to have a better diff. in these cars even in stock form when drag racing. I've read you state over and over just how much your **** would dyno or trap "if..." So what. I don't think there is a whole lot of anyone impressed by the asterisks you keep implying on your setup.
I agree thats why I bought the S60.
The closest AI car to mine that brought up why I might have power advantages in the rest of my set up, Im saying I have things that take away some of that. Thats all.

I was mistaken on the actual numbers of the rear when I posted its been a while since I looked at the weights and dyno. So maybe 1-2mpg gain.
Old 02-09-2010 | 08:00 PM
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I really really doubt you'd gain 2mph switching diff's. No reason to compare dyno numbers anyway. No point to it.
Old 02-09-2010 | 08:03 PM
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I agree with that also but initially I said less than 1mph difference. Turned into whatever.
Old 02-09-2010 | 08:07 PM
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Mike I thought when speed Inc dynoed your car before and after it was 11hp??
Old 02-09-2010 | 08:13 PM
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That stuff comes down to which side of the argument you are on. If you want to play up your "handicap" then a a stronger diff is a huge hurdle, but the next guy's 500lbs is meaningless.
Old 02-09-2010 | 09:10 PM
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I didnt say that 96,
Im not sayin either are a handi cap because the ETs are better and Pc of mind is there.
The diff isnt a hurdle although it does rob HP.

Greg mine lost bout 14 with the rear, the clutch is what brought it down another 9.
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What does a complete 10 bolt weigh? I weighed a Dana 60 at 180lbs with no gear oil and no brakes or backing plates. It had 40 spline axles, spool, 5/8 wheel studs, and 5.13 gears (heavy thick ring gear). Are you telling me a 10 bolt weighs 80lbs? LOL
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Originally Posted by fergymoto
What does a complete 10 bolt weigh? I weighed a Dana 60 at 180lbs with no gear oil and no brakes or backing plates. It had 40 spline axles, spool, 5/8 wheel studs, and 5.13 gears (heavy thick ring gear). Are you telling me a 10 bolt weighs 80lbs? LOL
why in the hell do you have 40 splines and drive studds?

I work on a car thats puts down tremendous power and it has gun drilled 40s in a 9" it runs 200+ in the 1/8 with .900 60'

why the hell would you put 40s in a street car? you rea;ize how much that rotating wt kills you? unsprung too. there is no reason for you to need 5/8 studs either...come on man your slitting your own throught.


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