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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
396 SR with LPE heads M6
Thanks, What gears, what times, and what type of 60ft does he get at the track?
Old Feb 10, 2010 | 10:26 PM
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This is a video of my old AI set up. It was a; 200cc LT1 head, mild solid roller cam, ported stock intake, AS&M mono blade, hooker 1 3/4 lts, pump gas, 355.

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It wasn't the fastest car down the 1/4. It wasn't set up for that. However, it did pull really hard in all gears.
I prefer CNC heads. If some one is porting a CNC head by hand after machining, there is a problem with the machining.

Good luck with your project, your goals are easily attainable. Do your home work for a few months on the forums and roll the dice, or pick a car you like and copy it to the best of your ability. Set up is very important; ABA383 is one of the best examples in this thread. As you can see, my old set up managed to run 10's in spite of the suspension being set up for street. This is because the engine was bad ***. There are lots of guys with less power than me quicker in the ¼, but for the most part not in MPH. My car was set up to be a street racer and that was where it was best.

Decide what kind of set up you want, build it, and enjoy it.

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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 10:30 PM
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think it went 11.8 @ 121-22 no idea on the 60ft. He'll have to answer to be sure.

Its a good combo for what it is when it was built. I have a guy around here that used to have one of the fastest LT1s running a very similar set up 383, LPE heads, SR, etc. But since he put his car together alot of other companies have stepped up like AI and LE.
Probably more so in cam tech, but also outstanding ported stock castings to supply the cams needs.
Old Feb 10, 2010 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mdacton
Brian......let me get this....Im 3415 race wt. going down the track with me in it..... I know your going to say you 3800 or some **** and probly never been on a scale... but anyway. Im am well over a second faster....... if we were the same wt. where would you be at? have you even seen an 11 yet? once? 2 years ago?

get real......
As real as one of your heart attacks whenever you get all bent. Car has been on a four point scale and weighed 3750. As stated. My patform with my 10 year old LPE CNC LT4 heads is far better than any bubblegum/rubber band crap you have come up with. You can be my wingman anytime.

Originally Posted by SS Aleks
This is a video of my old AI set up. It was a; 200cc LT1 head, mild solid roller cam, ported stock intake, AS&M mono blade, hooker 1 3/4 lts, pump gas, 355.
See that, mdacton? You don't have **** on that! Stop preaching the "I am better" Alpha Male horse **** you keep crapping out of your keyboard. No one is buying it!

Originally Posted by AChotrod
think it went 11.8 @ 121-22 no idea on the 60ft. He'll have to answer to be sure.
It's a bert cam that CamMotion stole from him. Heads are as stated and it's gone a 12.994 @ 116.92mph w/ a 1.95 60' time.
Old Feb 10, 2010 | 10:41 PM
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SS Alexs your car is the fastest AI car I have ever seen with tons and tons of attention to detail as seen by you other posts and vids. Im just curious what the total set up was?
Cam specs,internals, clutch, trans, rear etc was.
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Aleks is the destroyer of 12-bolts.
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
it's gone a 12.994 @ 116.92mph w/ a 1.95 60' time.
BS it gone better than 12s
Old Feb 10, 2010 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
BS it gone better than 12s
I think he meant 11.9, and I think he has a LOT of dialing in to do.

Personally I think Mdactons car is impressive for what it is, but what do I know . The dyno numbers are naturally low since it is a big stalled auto, but the ET shows the the car is working.

No matter how you slice it you can't really argue with 9s.

PS: I think the thread isn't locked yet since Tech is very short on active mods right now. This whole section is mostly under the radar anyway.
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 11:04 PM
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They moved a thread way worse than this and didnt close it. So a mod def saw it. But its winter and entertaining. lol
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If you want reliability and squeak as much HP out of your car then go with AI CC'd heads. Hand porting is something of the past and I don't care who you are and how long you have been porting, there is always human error. So this argument of which is better, well there is no argument because one is simply far superior then the other. If you tell yourself different then you are in loser denial.
Old Feb 11, 2010 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ROWDYZ28
If you want reliability and squeak as much HP out of your car then go with AI CC'd heads. Hand porting is something of the past and I don't care who you are and how long you have been porting, there is always human error. So this argument of which is better, well there is no argument because one is simply far superior then the other. If you tell yourself different then you are in loser denial.
Yes cnc ing heads is best way to get consistent results from one set of heads to the next. No It don't always produce max power. Most killer sets of heads out there are hand blended after they been cnc'd. the cnc can only do so much with out getting close to the water jackets, so thats when hand blending allows you to safely take more material out, long as you know what the hell your doing. Atleast this how the head porter at lpe explained it to me a few years back.
Old Feb 11, 2010 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Bersalagirl- What exactly do you got to warrant all your **** talk?
How about a 8000lb truck that would spank your turd.

Although it doesn't matter what I've got, everyone is inferior to you and your 396 Lingenfelter Solid Roller, only runs 12's, luxury laden coupe. There is nothing I could say that you wouldn't try to disassemble with your parasitic attitude. So, how about you put up some good numbers or **** talk to someone you actually can beat. There are a few bolt on guy's who you could probably edge out on here.

If your setup is so much better what are you so damn slow?

-Dustin-

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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 10:39 AM
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I vote L.E.
Old Feb 11, 2010 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by djjab57
I vote L.E.
You're vote is also a poor one. Plus you already posted your thoughts...obviously you lack knowledge
Old Feb 11, 2010 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bersaglieri
How about a 8000lb truck that would spank your turd.

Although it doesn't matter what I've got, everyone is inferior to you and your 396 Lingenfelter Solid Roller, only runs 12's, luxury laden coupe. There is nothing I could say that you wouldn't try to disassemble with your parasitic attitude. So, how about you put up some good numbers or **** talk to someone you actually can beat. There are a few bolt on guy's who you could probably edge out on here.

If your setup is so much better what are you so damn slow?

-Dustin-
Time and time again all I read is you whining about reposts and crying about content. Is it working for you? If not, continue to cry. Wail and gnash teeth to see if it makes any difference whatsoever. The only thing you do understand is my funny revving, seared ABS gear SR 396 with LINGENFELTER CNC LT4 heads is hands down the best application on this site.
Even if it's true you have such an 8000lb turd it makes no difference. The only other fool who would care about it is mdacton. You two could yank on each others gear ***** while sled pulling.
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CNC is only as good as the original HAND ported set of heads. There will never ever be an improvement unless you do more hand porting and testing.
I hope all these super superior AI cars show up at the shootout to PROVE they are faster. LE has cars in EVERY CLASS again.
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Originally Posted by BruceBufferTA
You're vote is also a poor one. Plus you already posted your thoughts...obviously you lack knowledge
OK bruse, Just because you say it makes it all true. Close the thread no more to talk about GOD has spoken
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
CNC is only as good as the original HAND ported set of heads. There will never ever be an improvement unless you do more hand porting and testing.
Okay, and?

Originally Posted by BruceBufferTA
You're vote is also a poor one. Plus you already posted your thoughts...obviously you lack knowledge
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Okay, and?
Just making the point that it all boils down to someone hand porting. So saying CNC is always better is just stupid. You cant have CNCed heads without an original set of hand ported heads and 0 improvements happen unless you hand port them again.
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Originally Posted by BruceBufferTA
You're vote is also a poor one. Plus you already posted your thoughts...obviously you lack knowledge
You very well might be the biggest tool on this board. Everything I've ever seen you say is stupid. Do you know Lloyd??? Have you ever even spoken with him? Have you ever run his stuff? Then you need to shut your trap and mind your own business because you have no business talking about things that you're clueless about. You have little to no experience with LT1's much less a modded LT1. You jumped on the AI bandwagon and now you're an expert? Haha. Wow. I've never run AI's stuff but I also don't go around telling people they're insignifact for running AI's parts. Do us a favor and stop posting.

Guy one very important car you have seemed to forget about is Lloyd's old car. A guy named Beau owns it now. It's about 3800 lbs with driver and ran 6.90's in the 1/8th. Nobody remembers that though. And yes I know the motor let go at the shootout but the fact of the matter is that car was Lloyd's stuff...and was set up the right way and ran like a champ for a long time being driven hard. Not to mention Javier's z28...runs like 11.10's all day long with Lloyds stuff. There are some fast LE cars out there. From what I've noticed the guys who don't put down serious numbers with Lloyd's stuff don't typically have the right combo of parts.

I honestly believe alot of the AI guys are more about racing and want to get every last bit of HP and ET out of their cars so alot of their cars are set up for the strip. AI definitely has more prestige than Lloyd but Lloyd does great work. That's why he's always booked. Everytime I've been to his place he's got a rediculous amount of work. Big block heads, small block ford heads. He does it all.

I think Aleks pretty much nailed it by saying do research and get the right combonation of parts and you'll have a sweet ride. The difference in heads and cam between what Lloyd does and what AI does is not going to be a huge difference one way or another. I really don't think you can go wrong with either. Tuning also makes a huge difference but these dudes have neglected to mention that too. Lloyds old car dyno tuned at like 38x RWHP tuned by a local guy...then Bryan Herter (PCMforless.com) came down and dyno tuned the car and low and behold...430's rwhp. Tuning makes all the difference in the world.



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