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Old 08-18-2010, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOrleansLT1
How old are YOU? I'm 27, and show proof of a bone stock Mustang GT in the the 9's and I will give you credit. Until then, you are one ignorant, confused, internet hero. You said the LS3 is not in the same league as the 5.0, and when I called you out on it you said I was "LUDICROUS". because the damn stock Mustang runs 9's...Remember?
I'm just curious about your age due to the incorporation of smileys in your post along with the empty content. Regarding the "bone stock" GT, I never said that. Read again. I said stock engine. So, once again, where are the 5th gen Camaros that are in the 9's using the stock engine, meaning the valve covers not being removed? Where are the 5th gens that can match ET/MPH with what the GT is doing now? Time and time again there are GT's that are vastly improving in ET/MPH with one such link I posted (cliff notes: mid 11's @ 120mph, full weight with bolt-ons). Did you conveniently forget to check it out? This **** is funny. I honestly don't understand what it is you are trying to argue. Your case is weak. I see no validity other than you pontificating as to why you think the Camaro is just as fast as the new GT. I stand by what I said regarding your claim which is ludicrous. Are you going to continue replying with misinformed opinions or are you going to prove your claims? The choice is yours.
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
lol It doesnt bother me one bit either! I love both but sitting in front of the puter 12hrs a day this gives me something to do. But its true stock block to stock block(blocks that came with the cars) LT1 has a advantage in a all out build.

FI, or n20? Maybe, I've got a friend (Baked is his screen name on here) he's been 9.36@145 with a 347ci ls1 on just a 200DP/100plate setup. This year with a little more work, he's shooting for 8.90's on a 200/200.
n/a? Idk... a Darton resleeved ls1 block would allow for atleast a 4.125" bore. Which is plenty enough for 427-441ci.
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
So it might get a little more HP for the 6spd, but its a small SR cam and still stock head/intake car vs the almighty LS1 with aftermarket heads and intake . Id say thats pretty f-n sweet.
It's definately respectable to say the least! not knockin it at all, but how can you not deny that a heads/cam/stock block 346 stalled a4 runnin low 10's at 3250lbs is not even nastier? If he put a solid roller in it and 1 7/8 headers it would run mid 9's.. That 355 ltx won't do that even with aftermarket heads and ported stock intake... and no you cant count a single plain for an intake, has to be a stock location tb intake lmao. Unfortunately not many options there for the ltx... it is what it is man. The debate can go back and forth all day... as already posted, I think they both are capable platforms, but neither one is the best by anymeans... Big block still rules the world. Hell my dad was runnin 7's at a 182 na w/ a 632bbc(1300hp), lenco 4spd, tube chassis corvette in the 90's. no delay boxes, just hand eye cordination ruling that ***! He ended up Halloween classic champ two years in a row at the local track, beating out a 64 car field where delay boxes and full electronics were permitted. all he did was adjust his clutch pedal to his reaction time... I can just imagine what people were thinking when a guy with a no electronics stick car, is waxing that delay box ***... His car always pulled consistant 1.06-1.09 60ft and always ran within a .10... It's pretty sick when your dialing in a car to the
.001. end/ rant lol!!

Edit** I dont think 7's is that fast anymore for a all out drag car, but it was in the mid 90's!! Now you got guys like mike morran runnin in the 5's at 250mph with a twin turbo big block... ***** crazy fast! Yes then you got the nitro cars, but at 10k a pass to run one, they don't count haha...

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Originally Posted by kinglt-1
It's definately respectable to say the least! not knockin it at all, but how can you not deny that a heads/cam/stock block 346 stalled a4 runnin low 10's at 3250lbs is not even nastier? If he put a solid roller in it and 1 7/8 headers it would run mid 9's.. That 355 ltx won't do that even with aftermarket heads and ported stock intake... and no you cant count a single plain for an intake, has to be a stock location tb intake lmao. Unfortunately not many options there for the ltx... it is what it is man. The debate can go back and forth all day... as already posted, I think they both are capable platforms, but neither one is the best by anymeans... Big block still rules the world. Hell my dad was runnin 7's at a 182 na w/ a 632bbc(1300hp), lenco 4spd, tube chassis corvette in the 90's. no delay boxes, just hand eye cordination ruling that ***! He ended up Halloween classic champ two years in a row at the local track, beating out a 64 car field where delay boxes and full electronics were permitted. all he did was adjust his clutch pedal to his reaction time... I can just imagine what people were thinking when a guy with a no electronics stick car, is waxing that delay box ***... His car always pulled consistant 1.06-1.09 60ft and always ran within a .10... It's pretty sick when your dialing in a car to the
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Not a chance of a cam change and header swap dropping you from 10s to mid 9's.

PS: I'd go BBC before I go LS-anything. Hell, I'd run a big cube standard smallblock before an LS motor. Like I said, its all preference.
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Originally Posted by Puck
Not a chance of a cam change and header swap dropping you from 10s to mid 9's.

PS: I'd go BBC before I go LS-anything. Hell, I'd run a big cube standard smallblock before an LS motor. Like I said, its all preference.
for an all out drag car bbc all day! I like the ls for how quick it is in its bolton form... You can have a high 11sec car that drives like stock and still gets 25mpg hwy... Other than that hell with both of em' for a track build. Im actually thinkin about buyin my old 85 monte carlo ss back and throwing a 540ci big block, th400, 8.5 10bolt for now and spray the **** out of it... The car has a nice fresh paint job, currently a roller and the interior is mint w/ 85k on the clock. It was my second vehicle, I sold it for my lt1 car back in 2000. Sounds like fun, just takes the time and money!

edit* chrs1313 went 10.3 on first trip to the track with that setup... he's goin for high 9's on the current setup w/ a new stall... Id say with a sr it definately has a 9.6-9.7 potential...

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Originally Posted by Mighty Whitey
FI, or n20? Maybe, I've got a friend (Baked is his screen name on here) he's been 9.36@145 with a 347ci ls1 on just a 200DP/100plate setup. This year with a little more work, he's shooting for 8.90's on a 200/200.
n/a? Idk... a Darton resleeved ls1 block would allow for atleast a 4.125" bore. Which is plenty enough for 427-441ci.
All the above. You can also get a 400+ inch LT1 but I wouldnt spray or boost it.
theres 1000+rwhp Lt1s still running factory blocks.

Stock heads and short block
Jeremy McKinney (vtec/diggler)-9.44@139, stock shortblock LT1, ported factory heads, 3100#, nitrous

I dont see many stock headed stock short block LS1 guys doing this.

I dont deny the LS1s potential but its not a mind bending difference, more like a couple tenths and MPH.
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LS1's are ghey with their blocks built from tin foil and paper bag sounding exhaust systems.

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The new stang 5.0 is really nice wish the body stayed like the 06 style though....

Ford finally got smart a built a car to run whats it been,since 94 where the mustang took a dump and getting pounded by L98s,Lt1s etc...

Be honest i am glad Ford has stepped up to keep the battle going
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Originally Posted by *02WS6TURK*
LS1's are ghey with their blocks built from tinfoil and paper bag sounding exhaust systems.
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Originally Posted by *02WS6TURK*
LS1's are ghey with their paper bag sounding exhaust systems.
Totally agree!
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Originally Posted by LSWHO
Totally agree!
LOL I knew you would bro
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Originally Posted by 96lt1m6
The new stang 5.0 is really nice wish the body stayed like the 06 style though....

Ford finally got smart a built a car to run whats it been,since 94 where the mustang took a dump and getting pounded by L98s,Lt1s etc...

Be honest i am glad Ford has stepped up to keep the battle going
Im more impressed with the new stang than anything ls as of recent... If gm would of put the ls3 in a 3500-3600lb car that the masses could afford then I might think differently... but until then the new gt is a beast!
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Originally Posted by pyro719
Stock motor,c4,250 shot,suspension and weight reduction. HOLY ****!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZopO...layer_embedded
If you did the same with a stock LT1 I bet it would run pretty much the same number. The jury is still out on how long that 5.0 will last.
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Originally Posted by GIZMO
If you did the same with a stock LT1 I bet it would run pretty much the same number. The jury is still out on how long that 5.0 will last.
So a car that puts out over 100rwhp less stock and about 1.5 seconds slower in the 1/4 would run the same as that car with the same mods?
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.....it would run mid 9's.. That 355 ltx won't do that even with aftermarket heads and ported stock intake... and no you cant count a single plain for an intake, has to be a stock location tb intake lmao.
LT1's have done that with the stock head castings N/A.
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Originally Posted by GIZMO
If you did the same with a stock LT1 I bet it would run pretty much the same number. The jury is still out on how long that 5.0 will last.
The block is designed for boost. I really hope those who mouth about a stock engine LT1 running those times w/ those mods will step up and try it. I mean it's been what... 17 years since the first LT1 f-body came about? I would think it's about time?
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
So a car that puts out over 100rwhp less stock and about 1.5 seconds slower in the 1/4 would run the same as that car with the same mods?
Suspension, three speed, weight reduction, nitrous......I don't see why not. But, then, I am the guy that built a stock internals LT1 that ran 7.05 in the 1/8th!
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A 5th gen would probably run the same numbers if you gave it a 250shot. That's stupid.

OH ITS STOCK....with a 250 shot...A golf cart can be fast with nitrous too. Anyways...2011 camaro has another overhall, a Z28 supposed to be over 500 horses, comparable to the 2011 GT500.
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
The block is designed for boost. I really hope those who mouth about a stock engine LT1 running those times w/ those mods will step up and try it. I mean it's been what... 17 years since the first LT1 f-body came about? I would think it's about time?
Maybe you should read about GIZMOs cars. They are nothing crazy special. Just very well done. VERY well done, IMO.
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LS1's are ghey with their blocks built from tin foil and paper bag sounding exhaust systems.
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