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Old 05-24-2012 | 10:57 PM
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Well i finally made the decision and sold my CC306 to go custom grind!
Since Im Gonna Be On The Stock ShortBlock For Awhile I Figured It Was The Right Thing To Do To B Safe..
Well Anyways Found A LE Cam That Somone Has For Cheap..
Brand New, Never Put In Car
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226/234 106 LSA
My Main Concern Is The Tight LSA.. Will That LSA Be Ok For A Stock ShortBlock?
I Was Planning On Running Pretty Much The Same Specs But With Like A 109 Lsa, But this is a great deal!

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Old 05-25-2012 | 06:53 AM
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A 106 LSA On A Stock Bottom End With Stock Heads Is Going To Suck. There's A Reason People Go Custom Grind - No Wonder The Seller Is Selling It.
Old 05-25-2012 | 08:49 AM
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Probably not the best choice if you want your brakes to work properly. Get a real custom cam; not somebody's leftovers. Or just get a more modern smaller off the shelf cam than what you had.
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I'm gonna go a little lighter than these other guys here, and not crap all over that cam.
Do you care that it will get crappy gas mileage?
Do you care about the stench every time you're sitting still idling or creeping along in traffic?
If no to both of those, then it might not be such a bad thing.
Remember, the worse the head flow, the more overlap you need to make power.
It's gonna take a good tuner to make it idle right, might even need to run open loop. Tuned right, it will run strong. But it WON't be a good daily driver cam.
Can't be absolutely sure without seeing the cam plot, but I'm running roughly the same overlap and have no brake/vacuum issues.
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I'm gonna go a little lighter than these other guys here, and not crap all over that cam.
Do you care that it will get crappy gas mileage?
Do you care about the stench every time you're sitting still idling or creeping along in traffic?
If no to both of those, then it might not be such a bad thing.
Remember, the worse the head flow, the more overlap you need to make power.
It's gonna take a good tuner to make it idle right, might even need to run open loop. Tuned right, it will run strong. But it WON't be a good daily driver cam.
Can't be absolutely sure without seeing the cam plot, but I'm running roughly the same overlap and have no brake/vacuum issues.
Ok Thanks Guys!
Yea its going to be a daily driver but i can deal with cam surge...
But Looks Like Its Not For Me.
Ill Just Order One From LE, Im Thinking His 224/232 On A 109 LSA

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Im running a 226/232 .606/.603 108lsa on a stock head and stock short block engine. I have no brake issues, cam surge is pretty bad @ 48-60mph but im still on a pcmforless tune and run stock 3.23 gears out back.

I have no idea if Im getting something mixed up or not, but cant you do adjustable timing gears to advance the cam degree and make the lsa seem wider? install the cam + 4 degrees or something to make it a little more friendly?
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Im running a 226/232 .606/.603 108lsa on a stock head and stock short block engine. I have no brake issues, cam surge is pretty bad @ 48-60mph but im still on a pcmforless tune and run stock 3.23 gears out back.

I have no idea if Im getting something mixed up or not, but cant you do adjustable timing gears to advance the cam degree and make the lsa seem wider? install the cam + 4 degrees or something to make it a little more friendly?
Yea i remember reading something about that too...
Bump, Anyone know if i can do that to make the lsa wider?
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No the lsa is ground in. I'll weigh in on the left side of Pat and say it will run well with the stock heads. It will be snappier in the midrange and make more torque than something similar on a 109lsa. A CC306 would drive very similar, but would be down LOTS of torque below 4500 rpm. Idle would be reliable at 800 rpm but would make more vacuum around 900. I say run it!
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Ok Thanks!
Im used to being in/driving cars with big cam surge so im sure itll b fine for me.
And im guessing it will actually drive better than the big cc306 i had before.
So im just gonna run it! If i dont like it for whatever reason i can just sell it..
Will My Crane 10308 Valve Springs Be Ok With This Cam
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Thanks Again Guys!!

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Set them .050" from bind and you'll be fine. Not sure how long they'll last, competition products carries an affordable Ti retainer that would be a nice upgrade.
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Ah I think I was thinking of those cams that have advance ground into them... like a 110 +3 or something like that.

What lift is this cam btw?
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Originally Posted by Wicked94Z
Set them .050" from bind and you'll be fine. Not sure how long they'll last, competition products carries an affordable Ti retainer that would be a nice upgrade.
Ok cool ill look those up..
Originally Posted by trilkb
Ah I think I was thinking of those cams that have advance ground into them... like a 110 +3 or something like that.

What lift is this cam btw?
Heres The Cam Specs:
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you wont be happy with that cam...
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Originally Posted by Ls1~Lover
Heres The Cam Specs:
That is not 106 LSA. That is 111 LSA(lobe seperation angle) on a 106 ICL(intake lobe centerline).

You could run that cam, but your motor would probably like it degreed to 108 ICL.
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Originally Posted by speedtigger
That is not 106 LSA. That is 111 LSA(lobe seperation angle) on a 106 ICL(intake lobe centerline).

You could run that cam, but your motor would probably like it degreed to 108 ICL.
Okay so it is a 111 LSA?
Im only 15 so im still learning so thanks for pointing that out!
That should actually be better since it will be a daily driver
And how would i degree the ICL To 108?

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Originally Posted by Ls1~Lover
Okay so it is a 111 LSA?
And how would i degree the ICL To 108?
An adjustable timing chain. Many manufacturers make them. Cloyes brand is a solid choice. Just don't get the "hex adjust" model. It is a pain to dial in.
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Originally Posted by speedtigger
An adjustable timing chain. Many manufacturers make them. Cloyes brand is a solid choice. Just don't get the "hex adjust" model. It is a pain to dial in.
Alright i already bought this timing chain:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Camaro-Corve...003c02&vxp=mtr

Should i sell it and run an Adjustable?
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Originally Posted by Ls1~Lover
Alright i already bought this timing chain:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Camaro-Corve...003c02&vxp=mtr

Should i sell it and run an Adjustable?
You can run that cam the way it is on 106, but the car will probably like it better on 108. The chain in the picture is not adjustable.
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Originally Posted by speedtigger
You can run that cam the way it is on 106, but the car will probably like it better on 108. The chain in the picture is not adjustable.
Ok i gotcha, but what do you mean when you say the car proabably wont like it on the 106 icl?
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Originally Posted by Ls1~Lover
Ok i gotcha, but what do you mean when you say the car proabably wont like it on the 106 icl?
This cam on 106 ICL will likely have more torque and low rpm power but have less high rpm power and maximum horsepower than on 108 ICL. It will work either way, but I am betting the average horsepower in your desired RPM range will likely be a bit higher on 108 ICL.



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