ordering a turbo.. need your help...
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From: wyoming @ 12000 DA...
ordering a turbo.. need your help... WEll im going to put together a system i decided.... But i have a few questions..
I think im going to go for a smaller turbo for a small amount of boost (like 6-8)... also a small trubo will spool real fast.
So as for suggestions on turbos. Tell me all you have.
I can get a T3/T4 E 63ar GARRETT with 10 lbs adjustable wastegate for about $300-450
then T61 Turbocharger T4 Flange w/ Garrett Wheel & Internals With a HKS Style 40mm Wastegate for $400
I would liek something that will serve purposes to higher boost for later on. but i will probly leave it as it is for a decent time, so if i have to ungrade later i wont bitch.
I may buy the turbo and then get the PTK hotparts... but im not sure if i want to make al the piping yet (i can tig weld.. so im considering it).
well let the suggestions begin.
I think im going to go for a smaller turbo for a small amount of boost (like 6-8)... also a small trubo will spool real fast.
So as for suggestions on turbos. Tell me all you have.
I can get a T3/T4 E 63ar GARRETT with 10 lbs adjustable wastegate for about $300-450
then T61 Turbocharger T4 Flange w/ Garrett Wheel & Internals With a HKS Style 40mm Wastegate for $400
I would liek something that will serve purposes to higher boost for later on. but i will probly leave it as it is for a decent time, so if i have to ungrade later i wont bitch.
I may buy the turbo and then get the PTK hotparts... but im not sure if i want to make al the piping yet (i can tig weld.. so im considering it).
well let the suggestions begin.
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mail order tune for a power adder without an fmu is going to be a hard one to do.
and if you are going that route talk to the tuner, he will give you an idea of what injectors you need... probably some 36 or 42
and if you are going that route talk to the tuner, he will give you an idea of what injectors you need... probably some 36 or 42
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well it seems that STS doesn't say you need injectors for their 7 lbs kit... so i figured i would be able to get away with it... but i may just buy the sts kit anyways
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Originally Posted by Dragframe
well it seems that STS doesn't say you need injectors for their 7 lbs kit... so i figured i would be able to get away with it... but i may just buy the sts kit anyways
42# Bosch injectors $379.99 (recommended for 5psi or more)
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well im not going to save much because im going to buy all the hot parts in a kit and have them coated... so that is $2200 or so. Then $400 for a turbo... Then $300 for injectors... then $150 or so for a tune... intercooler im not sure on yet, im going to ebay one for as cheap as i can... then meth/water injection $400 (this is going to be a few weeks later)... then the rest of the intake tubing and the pipe fittings... You have to take into account though that some (well most) of this stuff the STS kit DOES NOT COME WITH.
Im probly going to comeout the same as the kit or maybe just a bit more... but my setup will have a lot more to it than the STS kit (like my price includes a tune, intercooler,meth/water injection, and the injectors).
but i also get all the headaches of making **** work.. something that will be a lot less of a problem with the sts kit...
Im probly going to comeout the same as the kit or maybe just a bit more... but my setup will have a lot more to it than the STS kit (like my price includes a tune, intercooler,meth/water injection, and the injectors).
but i also get all the headaches of making **** work.. something that will be a lot less of a problem with the sts kit...
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Do not do a budget kit with a tiny turbo. Your car wont make **** for power if you dont do it right. Pick a turbo that is designed for what you want it to do. You need to read a compressor map to figure out what turbo is best for you.
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Originally Posted by WhiteSSP
Do not do a budget kit with a tiny turbo. Your car wont make **** for power if you dont do it right. Pick a turbo that is designed for what you want it to do. You need to read a compressor map to figure out what turbo is best for you.
i called some people and got some recommendations... the second one is the one i decided on... it will serve my lower boost(6-7psi... would fall behind at 500 hp... would have to go twin turbos for anything basicly) expectations but nothing more. Sounds good enough for me. I will just put it on my honda when i upgrade for a bigger turbo.
Originally Posted by sparky t/a
cutting a couple dollars here will cost you thousands there.
get a fuel pump, get injectors, get good tuning.
get a fuel pump, get injectors, get good tuning.
Andof course im buying a fuel pump when i get the injectors. and a Maill order tune is best as it gets. Im smack in the middle of wyoming, the closest dyno tune i could do would be in Denver... and im not driving/trailering my car to Denver.
If i was half assing i would keep stock injectors with stock pump with a FMU...
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If you're serious about doing this, go to www.turbomustangs.com and go into the forums section. There's a wealth of knowledge there about creating a scratch built turbo setup for different cars.
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From: wyoming @ 12000 DA...
i totaly going to... but im buying all the hot parts so the only thing i will have to make is the intake parts. So I realy can't say im making much from scratch. Im going to check that out for sure though.
Where can i get a cheap 2 bolt wastegate from? because the 4-bolt one is not usable on the hot parts kit im getting.
OHH...and does anyone know of a cavalier forum? Because my friend may trade his 02 Cavalier for a 99 z24 cavalier. He wants to turbo it but there is not a very big aftermarket for the z24 cars. So i would like to talk to a group of people that may have turboed these cars (there are DOHC and speed density..).
Where can i get a cheap 2 bolt wastegate from? because the 4-bolt one is not usable on the hot parts kit im getting.
OHH...and does anyone know of a cavalier forum? Because my friend may trade his 02 Cavalier for a 99 z24 cavalier. He wants to turbo it but there is not a very big aftermarket for the z24 cars. So i would like to talk to a group of people that may have turboed these cars (there are DOHC and speed density..).
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From: wyoming @ 12000 DA...
but before i go on this scratch build lil project i want to hear peoples on oppinion on the sts remote mount systems...
-has anyone had any major problems with them compared to a traditional setup?
-Are the as effecient as a traditional setup?
-Is the cost worth it? like is it a good price? (though they offered me a crazy deal there would be no way i could turn down if i had the moeny this second.)
-when i finish my motor build at the end of this year will i be able to push my 15+ psi and reach my 700+ wheel HP with this setup (intercooled of course w/ meth injection more than likely for the higher levels of boost.)...but this aint a very good question because we are upgrading the turbo from what is in the base kit.
anyhting else you can tell me about STS before i jump in and drop a load of cash.
-has anyone had any major problems with them compared to a traditional setup?
-Are the as effecient as a traditional setup?
-Is the cost worth it? like is it a good price? (though they offered me a crazy deal there would be no way i could turn down if i had the moeny this second.)
-when i finish my motor build at the end of this year will i be able to push my 15+ psi and reach my 700+ wheel HP with this setup (intercooled of course w/ meth injection more than likely for the higher levels of boost.)...but this aint a very good question because we are upgrading the turbo from what is in the base kit.
anyhting else you can tell me about STS before i jump in and drop a load of cash.
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From: wyoming @ 12000 DA...
ok guys.... really need your imput... what is going to be the better setup?
the traditional that im goign to half build or the rear mount? Im looking at it costing more to go with the rear mount because of the thing i want that are not included in the kit... it will be $500 to an easy $1000 more than my home built system i think.
so what is going to be the better performing setup?
the traditional that im goign to half build or the rear mount? Im looking at it costing more to go with the rear mount because of the thing i want that are not included in the kit... it will be $500 to an easy $1000 more than my home built system i think.
so what is going to be the better performing setup?
v6z24.com is mainly for 1st and 2nd generation j bodies (cavaliers and sunbirds) with the v6 engine, and jbody.org is good for 3rd gens. My old car was a 94 Z24 with the 3.1 V6 so that how i know about v6z24, its a great site too can find lots of info there concerning both 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen j's
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From: wyoming @ 12000 DA...
Originally Posted by WhiteSSP
You can always build a system cheaper than the cost of buying one, and you'll have excatly what you want with it, because you spec'ed it out yourself.
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ok.. been researching up.. and read this thing on a bypass valve... they said it is needed for MAF cars because when a BOV releases a MAF car will tend to stutter and/or stall.
This to me doesn't make sence because its not like the BOV is going to let ALL the air out right?
My question is... is this info accurate on out LT1's?? because i have not heard of such a thing needed on our cars. THanks again.
This to me doesn't make sence because its not like the BOV is going to let ALL the air out right?
My question is... is this info accurate on out LT1's?? because i have not heard of such a thing needed on our cars. THanks again.
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BOV's do let all pressurized air out of the inlet tract. Basically, when the BOV opens, the xxpsi of air in the pipe becomes only ambient pressure. And yes, if you dont bypass it back into the system with a MAF, in general the car will run rich for a split second after every shift. This can be tuned out however.
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From: wyoming @ 12000 DA...
Originally Posted by WhiteSSP
BOV's do let all pressurized air out of the inlet tract. Basically, when the BOV opens, the xxpsi of air in the pipe becomes only ambient pressure. And yes, if you dont bypass it back into the system with a MAF, in general the car will run rich for a split second after every shift. This can be tuned out however.
well ok.. so it can be tuned out? i have an automatic so this wont be a problem really except when i rev it and such.... but if it can be tuned out....
Would they be able to "tune" that out in mail order tune? Because there is not a single place anywhere near me that can do any kind of tuning for me anyways. i live in casper, wyoming and i think i would have to go to denver for something like that.