When I had my 96 Z28 with only K&N, Cutout, Pulley, 1le bellow, and some other small stuff I beat 2000 SS.

 

LS1s are fast. No argument. BUT, with a little work and the rite mods, so are the LT1s. I take a HUGE amount of pride and enjoyment from working on my car. All the work and mods done to my car has been done by me. (do you hear the horn blowing) The first time to the track and on the first pass the car ran 13.1 with a 1.88 60 ft. with a crappy exhaust, stock TB and a HOT day. But the grin on my face told the story when I drove by a few LS1s on the way to the traps! LT1 might not be the newest technology, but its good technology. And a well built LT1 can be pretty damn quick. No argument.

Mec

 

I cant understand for the life of me why people, LT1 people wont just accept the fact that MOD FOR MOD the LS1 wins everytime. We sound like ricers when we say well all we need is this this and this to keep up and or be faster than a stock LS1.

 

Is that directed at me? I think you need to re read my post. I KNOW mod for mod LS1s are faster. The valve train and head design is increadable. YES they make more power. My point is a well built LT1 car IS fast. The outcome of a race all depends on driver skill and what you happen to line up against. If you have built your car well your chanches on winning heads up increase. Argue with that! And dont insult the LT1/4 crowd by saying we sound like ricers!! Please remember the forum you just posted in. Comments like that might cause this thread to get out of hand. Remember, this site exsits because we are not ricers.

Mec

 

Wasnt really directed at you but to everyone as a whole but if you want to take it that way ok then lets go.
My point was you could build both but mod for mod the LS1 will still make more power. Re-read what I wrote.


I dint insult anyone. I'm just sick of someone saying well if you just spray it youll be faster than the other car stock or just do this and youll be faster than your stock opponent. Of course you will, you should be. But what happens when the other guy with the more advacned motor does the same thing? Threads like this always get out of control. Has in the past and will continue to do so because LTX guys get butthurt when it comes to the LSX. Stopping taking what I say out of context. I'm not the bad guy. I like the LT1. I HAVE a built LT1. I just live in the real world and in the real world the LSX > *.

 

I think I agreed with you. I didnt post here to start an argument. But from reading what and how you just posted, you did. I'm done.

Mec

 

If we agree there is no argument. There is a difference between argument and discussion. No need to be upset done. I value everyones opinion

 

If an lt1 guy wants to compete vs the ls1 crowd he has to get the best heads avaialable, this is our biggest challenge. If you do that then throw all advantages out the window. But not too many have the coin to do so. The right heads and a hogan intake and it's game on , no matter what the application. Ls1 heads are amazing in stock form , but now we see ls7 heads and we all weep.

 

i made my choice with the ls1 jump
to each his own i say
my turbo ls1 will feature ported ls6 heads with a 8:1SCR
and victor intake and twin reworked t61 turbos upgraded compressor and turbine wheels
it should make good power

 

when i drove my friends stock ls1 it felt so damn slow, i thought for sure i would rape him good with the mods in my sig. i only beat him by a car lenth or so. i was shocked. i drove his car again and even though it felt slow, i looked down at the speedo and i was at 70 mph allready.

 

Yea that happened to me. I was looking for a car and I saw a 00 Z28 M6 in the paper. So I went and test drove it. I was really dissapointed. My uncle had a 93 Z28 and man it felt punchy, well I kept looking and found a 97 WS6 M6(which I bought) and I drove it, man the smile on my face wouldnt go away, I was going up the freeway on ramp and almost every shift the tail would kinda just pop a little sideways. I love my car, but I know what you mean, the LS1 cars just dont feel the same, like your driving a V6 or something, I mean I know they are fast but its just weird.

 

the power is more "refined"... the LT1s are more raw so they feel punchier... in general i love LT1s as a whole engine and besides the crappy opti its a pretty tough motor

 

your very wrong in that statment... mod for mod stock maybe.... as in nothing internal.. but one you dig int othe internals... we are talking a whole different story

 

You guys do all realize that LT1s and LS1s have the EXACT SAME POTENTIAL TO BE FAST MOTORS! There is nothing special or magical about LS1s that allows them to bend the laws of physics and make more than their displacement will allow.

I posted a thread not long ago about a buildup where they replaced the parts on a '97 to be closer to what an '02 came with from the factory, and guess what? It made the exact same power the LS1 did...

For the last ******* time.. THE LT1 AND THE LS1 HAVE THE EXACT SAME POTENTIAL!! Once you weigh out all the money options, it's CHEAPER to buy an LT1 car and put it in the 11s than it is to buy an LS1 and put it in the 11s. The only reason I even considered buying an LS1 was because most have lower miles. Then I found this one for 5.5k with 53k on the odo and the deal was sealed within an hour. I didn't hesitate to buy this over the LS1 because there's nothing special about an LS1 at all - besides some sort of mystical fan boy knowledge that it's god's motor. For the $5k more I woulda spent on an LS1 just to run low 13s.. this ****** is going to run low 11s.

 

So what part of my statement do you feel is wrong if you agree with the only statement made which states mod for mod? When I hear mods I dont think internal so I do see why anyone else would.

 

this thread aint gonna end well

 

I totally ******* agree. This is silly. Once you crack open the engine what it is stock doesn't mean ****. I get so fed up with people saying "Man too bad you couldn't find a LSX for your truck. Then it would be nuts." Like to say a LT will never make the same power. If I wanted a LSx. I would have one. They are not the ******* end all be all of engines. Stock, yeah they are amazing engines and make great power. But, the potential is the ******* same as the old 355 sitting in my garage.

I'm with you, for the cost of finding a decent LSX then the additional cost of the swap. i will have a forged 383 (though now considering a 396) that will hand it to most LSx guys running around here.

And if god forbid i grenade the new engine, then the next mill will be a forged Gen 1 sbc. I respect the LSx engines but have no fear of them.

 

ok lets switch engines. what do you think of the LS6 engines then

 

Never does. Just funny to see how people get so worked up. I used to get butthurt when the P.I mustang owners would give me crap about my old NON P.I motor so I made it my mission in life to make as much power as possible. I reached 500rwhp. Couldve made more but Blew the engine. With the money spent on the NPI I couldve went P.I or even cobra and made more power. Point is if you put enough money into anything you can make it fast. Just some engines are easier and cheaper and have more potential. I enjoy what I have and dont mind doing what it takes to make it just as fast as whatever else until I start a new project or loose intrest.

 

OHHHHHNNNNAAAWWWZZZZ the LT1 is so much better than that motor because yadda yadda yadda cheaper yadda yadda torque. J/K