Z28 Against GT ?????
05-12-2007, 04:10 PM
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dude lol i wanna laugh so bad for u posting this lol but man u would cream a gt lets think about this about time to go into detail lol 5.7 vs 4.6 ok the mustang from what i hear has a sohc (correct me if im wrong) ok our cars (dohc) we have more hp. the only thing they beat us in is sound lol im not goin to lie about that. BTW the new gt's arent a prob either the only stangs we have to worry about is the cobras,machs,saleens some saleens
05-12-2007, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by InnocentZ28
Z28 all the way! there is this kid with a mustang in my area that goes to my girlfriend's school that has a 94-95 mustang gt and all he has is slicks, gears, and nitrous, and he thinks he is going to beat my car, and he said he wont even use the spray so i dont look that bad when he is winning lol. My mods are cc306 cam,headers,1.6 roller rockers,pushrods, elecric waterpump,msd cap and rotor opti,tb bypass,pcm forless tuning,ported and gutted mass air,cai,spec stage 1, eibach pro kit,adj panhard bar, rca,relocation brackets,torque arm, and exaust. how many people think he is going to win? i have a gm hightech magazine with a 96 mustang cobra vs a 96 camaro ss, and the mustang had slicks and gears on it, and it lost against a bone stock camaro ss. I just dont think nitrous is going to really help him.
tell that dude to 
05-12-2007, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by That_guy
dude lol i wanna laugh so bad for u posting this lol but man u would cream a gt lets think about this about time to go into detail lol 5.7 vs 4.6 ok the mustang from what i hear has a sohc (correct me if im wrong) ok our cars (dohc) we have more hp. the only thing they beat us in is sound lol im not goin to lie about that. BTW the new gt's arent a prob either the only stangs we have to worry about is the cobras,machs,saleens some saleens
05-12-2007, 04:59 PM
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foreal wow im such a tool we have one cam and still kickin the mustangs *** how do we do it so wait help me out here real quick lol had some people tell me the wrong info bout my car. ok so dohc means 2 cams right
05-13-2007, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by That_guy
wow so ford really does suck our one camd cars is giving a asswhoopin of a lifetime to their dohc cars wow ok thanks for the info
DOHC means dual over head camshaft
05-13-2007, 02:32 PM
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like said we are pushrod motors= one cam in block. 16 valves
a sohc is single overhead cam meaning two cams, 16 valves( you know, they are v8's)
and a dohc is a double overhead cam obviously meaning they have four cams with 32 valves
come on its not rocket science
a sohc is single overhead cam meaning two cams, 16 valves( you know, they are v8's)
and a dohc is a double overhead cam obviously meaning they have four cams with 32 valves
come on its not rocket science
05-13-2007, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cwalk26
like said we are pushrod motors= one cam in block. 16 valves
a sohc is single overhead cam meaning two cams, 16 valves( you know, they are v8's)
and a dohc is a double overhead cam obviously meaning they have four cams with 32 valves
come on its not rocket science
a sohc is single overhead cam meaning two cams, 16 valves( you know, they are v8's)
and a dohc is a double overhead cam obviously meaning they have four cams with 32 valves
come on its not rocket science
2 cams does not equal more power
4 valves per cylinder does not necessarily mean more power either... just remember even the Cobra motors are down over a liter of displacement and make similar to the lt1 in power.
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I can not believe some of the misinformation bieng posted in this thread.
Some of it is factual, but there must be a slew of Cobra owners that dont have a clue how to drive.
A good race with what? Any tool with a pullied 03 cobra can run low 12 at 114-119, I dont think that a bolt on lt1 would be "a good race".
Most experienced 03/04 drivers are running well into the 11s with bolt ons, some have gotten into the 10s @ 126+.
True statement
It was the 99s that had that problem, they were rated at 320, but most only put down 250-255. Ford recalled the cars, the 99s with "the fix" would usually put down 265 (about what a stock 305hp 98 cobra would do).
The 01 made its advertised power, usually dynoing 270+.
The mach ones are very similar to the 01 Cobra, but usully run a couple tenths better due to better flowing heads.
Those times are about what your average driver runs in both cars (lt1 z, not T/A)in ok conditions. Most of the lt1 T/As run about a half of a second slower than an equal Z.
Full bolt on Zs seem to be running mid to low 13s at 105-106. Full bolt on Cobras (non supercharged) are running mid to low 12s @ 108-112.
These are local times of cars that I have witnessed or driven at the track, not what i have read about or seen posted.
Per bank of cylinder.
A sohc v8 has 2 cams
A DOHC v8 has 4 cams
+1
As for the Mustang GTs stock Fox's are Fairly slow usually running mid14s stock (although some of the earlier speed density LX coupes run high 13s @ 100-102 stock), 94-95 5.0 gts are snails (15.0), 96-98 4.6 gts are slugs (14.7-15.0), The 99-04s stock for stock are pretty even with an lt1, most run low 14s high 13s @98-100 (pretty much what I have seen with lt1s). They dont respond to well to minor boltons like the lt1 though.
Note:all time that I am listing are from 5 speed stangs, for a 87-95 auto, add a full second to the time, the AOD cars had a very sh*tty converter and a 2.4X first gear. The 96-04 autos with the 4R70W waer usually within a couple tenths of a 5 speed car.
I dont have much experience with the 05 or newer, and dont really care to (they are heavy pigs).
The only experience that I personnaly have is smoking one at a couple of street lights in a mostly stock 04 GT (4.10s, drag radials, H-pipe, predator), that consistantly ran 13.4s.
Sorry for the long post, But I had to add a little unbiased knowledge into the mix. I have owned quite a few F-Bodies in the past and am currently in the proscess of building a healthy LT1.
Some of it is factual, but there must be a slew of Cobra owners that dont have a clue how to drive.
Originally Posted by F8L LT1 Z28
What year is the COBRA? if it is a 03 or 04 it will be a good race. if you race if do it from a dig not a roll.
Most experienced 03/04 drivers are running well into the 11s with bolt ons, some have gotten into the 10s @ 126+.
Originally Posted by Cammed95Z28
I don't know where ya'll are getting this but 01 Cobras are VERY comparable to stock LS1's. They run mid 13's at 105. Its the DOHC motor, not the SOHC 4.6. I think it would be a good race, hopefully the Cobra is stock.
Originally Posted by Daez
01 cobras had some issue, they don't put out their advertised power, they do like 270 bhp. I can't remember what the prob was, something that couldn't easily be fixed though.
The 01 made its advertised power, usually dynoing 270+.
The mach ones are very similar to the 01 Cobra, but usully run a couple tenths better due to better flowing heads.
Originally Posted by METALBEAST
And I have read another article where a 97 Cobra beat both a WS6 and SS in 97. It ran a 13.8@102 and the F-bodies ran 14.2@98.
Full bolt on Zs seem to be running mid to low 13s at 105-106. Full bolt on Cobras (non supercharged) are running mid to low 12s @ 108-112.
These are local times of cars that I have witnessed or driven at the track, not what i have read about or seen posted.
Originally Posted by F8L LT1 Z28
Dohc =2
sohc=1
sohc=1
A sohc v8 has 2 cams
A DOHC v8 has 4 cams
Originally Posted by Mattybz28
To go along with what this guy is saying; the only mustang motors with the dohc are the 4.6 cobra motors... so that's 4 valves per cylinder.
2 cams does not equal more power
4 valves per cylinder does not necessarily mean more power either... just remember even the Cobra motors are down over a liter of displacement and make similar to the lt1 in power.
2 cams does not equal more power
4 valves per cylinder does not necessarily mean more power either... just remember even the Cobra motors are down over a liter of displacement and make similar to the lt1 in power.
As for the Mustang GTs stock Fox's are Fairly slow usually running mid14s stock (although some of the earlier speed density LX coupes run high 13s @ 100-102 stock), 94-95 5.0 gts are snails (15.0), 96-98 4.6 gts are slugs (14.7-15.0), The 99-04s stock for stock are pretty even with an lt1, most run low 14s high 13s @98-100 (pretty much what I have seen with lt1s). They dont respond to well to minor boltons like the lt1 though.
Note:all time that I am listing are from 5 speed stangs, for a 87-95 auto, add a full second to the time, the AOD cars had a very sh*tty converter and a 2.4X first gear. The 96-04 autos with the 4R70W waer usually within a couple tenths of a 5 speed car.
I dont have much experience with the 05 or newer, and dont really care to (they are heavy pigs).
The only experience that I personnaly have is smoking one at a couple of street lights in a mostly stock 04 GT (4.10s, drag radials, H-pipe, predator), that consistantly ran 13.4s.
Sorry for the long post, But I had to add a little unbiased knowledge into the mix. I have owned quite a few F-Bodies in the past and am currently in the proscess of building a healthy LT1.
05-13-2007, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mattybz28
To go along with what this guy is saying; the only mustang motors with the dohc are the 4.6 cobra motors... so that's 4 valves per cylinder.
2 cams does not equal more power
4 valves per cylinder does not necessarily mean more power either... just remember even the Cobra motors are down over a liter of displacement and make similar to the lt1 in power.
2 cams does not equal more power
4 valves per cylinder does not necessarily mean more power either... just remember even the Cobra motors are down over a liter of displacement and make similar to the lt1 in power.
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Originally Posted by mpe331lx
Full bolt on Zs seem to be running mid to low 13s at 105-106. Full bolt on Cobras (non supercharged) are running mid to low 12s @ 108-112.
These are local times of cars that I have witnessed or driven at the track, not what i have read about or seen posted.
These are local times of cars that I have witnessed or driven at the track, not what i have read about or seen posted.
So you're claiming the folks here are lying about their times? If a full bolt on Z is only running mid to low 13s, something is wrong. High altitude, bad tune, I dunno. Running 13.8 STOCK and only getting low 13s with full bolt on is the worst investment ever. I would put a full bolt on FBody @ mid 12s with that setup. Again, conditions apply, so I'm just giving 1500ft above sea level as the avg. You run @ 5000+ and sure that mid-low 13 sounds more realistic.
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Originally Posted by Formula350
Don't forget the Saleens.
