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Originally Posted by ZONES89RS
Hell, LT1 blocks are-a-plenty arent they?
Also the G2 LT1 was only made in the Camaro/Firebird from 1993-1997 a little earlier for the Corvette, but the vette block is a 4 bolt and considered "Gold Dust" in G2 LT1 format.
Then there is the dreaded L99 engine that is often sold as an LT1. Nothing ruiens my day more than an L99 being sold as an LT1
Sort of like people trying to sell 305's as 350's back in the day. Casting numbers are a good way to know the diffrence but if all else fails your looking for a 4 inch bore. Anything less is uncivilized. Last edited by SELLC; Aug 23, 2007 at 12:47 AM.
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Originally Posted by SELLC
Your time must not be worth nothing, and your parts stolen. I would not mind a good race. I have looked at your link and from what I see, one of our "Budget" LT4 clones should be sufficiant for this race. I am in the Detroit Merto area and work late, anytime is fine.
The LT4 heads are not stock on the 15K build, you fail to read. Your claims of not gaining any horsepower by stroking the engine are absolutly absurd.
You should take that back right away before people start making you eat it.
It does look like two things are going to happen here, 1) When someone buy's it you stand to look like a dumb *** at the track 2) Advertisement
You think your valve train is better? Well.... We happen to KNOW otherwise.
The LT4 heads are not stock on the 15K build, you fail to read. Your claims of not gaining any horsepower by stroking the engine are absolutly absurd.
You should take that back right away before people start making you eat it.It does look like two things are going to happen here, 1) When someone buy's it you stand to look like a dumb *** at the track 2) Advertisement
You think your valve train is better? Well.... We happen to KNOW otherwise.
1.5 hrs left and no one has bought it. Your right I fucked up... I know my valve train is way fucken superior to what you are offering. I never said my setup was superior to all...well it is better than yours. Stolen parts, lol is that the best you can come up with. Anyways with that bad *** LT4 hot cam you are not going to see 450 @ the wheels. Please do tell of these "magical" LT4 heads and what you did to improve them. What kind of piston rings are you using cause you state "Brand NEW plasma molly rings file fit for nitrous application." I think it would take more than 150 shot if they were setup for nitrous.
"Genuine GM LT4 1.6 LT4 correct roller rocker arms" I've never heard of an incorrect roller rocker arm
"Brand NEW Stage II 6.0” connecting rods w/ ARP Hardware balanced to +/- 1g good to 600 HP" who makes these connecting rods?...such low expectations
I love this one
# Hypertech air foil
# BBK 58mm Throttle body ------> don't all after market T/B already come with this air foil. I guess you use 2 of them
# BBK Mass air meter matched to Injectors -----> never seen BBK make these especially matched to injectors
Accel 30lb Matching RED Injectors -----> I thought these came in yellow or Grey http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...03858&D=303858
I would also call your setup a budget setup also but I think I already nailed it..."Rip Off"
"We happen to KNOW otherwise"
I don't think "We" don't know the difference from a hole on the ground from their own *******.
Last edited by streetwarrior96; Aug 23, 2007 at 01:19 AM.
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Originally Posted by SELLC
Eh... You are kidding me right?
Did you even read it? Do you know what an LT4 consist of? Are you being a smart *** or do you just genuinely not know?
Did you even read it? Do you know what an LT4 consist of? Are you being a smart *** or do you just genuinely not know?
LT4 = 4 bolt main block Your Clone = 2 bolt main block (pictured)
LT4 = Casting#12555690 Heads Your Clone = Casting#10207346 Heads (LT1)
LT4 = Single Roller Chain Your Clone = LT1 Silent Chain (pictured)
LT4 = 1.6 RR Your Clone = 1.5 RR
LT4 = Red LT4 Intake Your Clone = None shown
Most of the things that make an LT4 different from an LT1 are just not there. You were selling a basic LT1 rebuild with a very mild cam and some basic head work. The price was ok but the LT4 tag is misleading.
Last edited by racerns; Aug 23, 2007 at 01:12 AM.
for that money i would get this http://www.ultrastreet.net/598_classic.asp and have almost enoufgh money to buy a tranny
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Originally Posted by racerns
Well lets see here as I happen to have a LT4 396 in my car, which happened to cost alot less then $15K but I am sure we will talk about the later.
LT4 = 4 bolt main block Your Clone = 2 bolt main block
LT4 = Casting#12555690 Heads Your Clone = Casting#10207346 Heads (LT1)
LT4 = Single Roller Chain Your Clone = LT1 Silent Chain
LT4 = 1.6 RR Your Clone = 1.5 RR
LT4 = Red LT4 Intake Your Clone = None shown
Most of the things that make an LT4 different from an LT1 are just not there. You were selling a basic LT1 rebuild with a very mild cam and some basic head work.
LT4 = 4 bolt main block Your Clone = 2 bolt main block
LT4 = Casting#12555690 Heads Your Clone = Casting#10207346 Heads (LT1)
LT4 = Single Roller Chain Your Clone = LT1 Silent Chain
LT4 = 1.6 RR Your Clone = 1.5 RR
LT4 = Red LT4 Intake Your Clone = None shown
Most of the things that make an LT4 different from an LT1 are just not there. You were selling a basic LT1 rebuild with a very mild cam and some basic head work.
with hopes and prayers that a dumb *** will buy it. I guess one can dream in one hand and take a dump on the other....which one will fill up faster
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Originally Posted by streetwarrior96
1.5 hrs left and no one has bought it. Your right I fucked up... I know my valve train is way fucken superior to what you are offering. I never said my setup was superior to all...well it is better than yours. Stolen parts, lol is that the best you can come up with. Anyways with that bad *** LT4 hot cam you are not going to see 450 @ the wheels. Please do tell of these "magical" LT4 heads and what you did to improve them. What kind of piston rings are you using cause you state "Brand NEW plasma molly rings file fit for nitrous application." I think it would take more than 150 shot if they were setup for nitrous.
"Genuine GM LT4 1.6 LT4 correct roller rocker arms" I've never heard of an incorrect roller rocker arm
"Brand NEW Stage II 6.0” connecting rods w/ ARP Hardware balanced to +/- 1g good to 600 HP" who makes these connecting rods?...such low expectations
I love this one
# Hypertech air foil
# BBK 58mm Throttle body ------> don't all after market T/B already come with this air foil. I guess you use 2 of them
# BBK Mass air meter matched to Injectors -----> never seen BBK make these especially matched to injectors
Accel 30lb Matching RED Injectors -----> I thought these came in yellow or Grey http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...03858&D=303858
I would also call your setup a budget setup also but I think I already nailed it..."Rip Off"
"Genuine GM LT4 1.6 LT4 correct roller rocker arms" I've never heard of an incorrect roller rocker arm
"Brand NEW Stage II 6.0” connecting rods w/ ARP Hardware balanced to +/- 1g good to 600 HP" who makes these connecting rods?...such low expectations
I love this one
# Hypertech air foil
# BBK 58mm Throttle body ------> don't all after market T/B already come with this air foil. I guess you use 2 of them
# BBK Mass air meter matched to Injectors -----> never seen BBK make these especially matched to injectors
Accel 30lb Matching RED Injectors -----> I thought these came in yellow or Grey http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...03858&D=303858
I would also call your setup a budget setup also but I think I already nailed it..."Rip Off"
First he is telling us how stroking an extra 33 cubic inches makes no real diffrence in terms of horsepower and now he is saying that his extra .019/.030 thousandths lift cam is so much better than the HOT cams .525/.525
Am I the only certified mechanic in here? Cuz this $hit is funny as HELL!
Get a grip streetmonkey96. The HOT camshaft is still the benchmark for all others.
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Originally Posted by SELLC
Look at this car part catalog kid streetwarrior96 go!
First he is telling us how stroking an extra 33 cubic inches makes no real diffrence in terms of horsepower and now he is saying that his extra .019/.030 thousandths lift cam is so much better than the HOT cams .525/.525
Am I the only certified mechanic in here? Cuz this $hit is funny as HELL!
Get a grip streetmonkey96. The HOT camshaft is still the benchmark for all others.
First he is telling us how stroking an extra 33 cubic inches makes no real diffrence in terms of horsepower and now he is saying that his extra .019/.030 thousandths lift cam is so much better than the HOT cams .525/.525
Am I the only certified mechanic in here? Cuz this $hit is funny as HELL!
Get a grip streetmonkey96. The HOT camshaft is still the benchmark for all others.
Last edited by streetwarrior96; Aug 23, 2007 at 01:43 AM.
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Originally Posted by racerns
Well lets see here as I happen to have a LT4 396 in my car, which happened to cost alot less then $15K but I am sure we will talk about that later.
LT4 = 4 bolt main block Your Clone = 2 bolt main block (pictured)
LT4 = Casting#12555690 Heads Your Clone = Casting#10207346 Heads (LT1)
LT4 = Single Roller Chain Your Clone = LT1 Silent Chain (pictured)
LT4 = 1.6 RR Your Clone = 1.5 RR
LT4 = Red LT4 Intake Your Clone = None shown
Most of the things that make an LT4 different from an LT1 are just not there. You were selling a basic LT1 rebuild with a very mild cam and some basic head work. The price was ok but the LT4 tag is misleading.
LT4 = 4 bolt main block Your Clone = 2 bolt main block (pictured)
LT4 = Casting#12555690 Heads Your Clone = Casting#10207346 Heads (LT1)
LT4 = Single Roller Chain Your Clone = LT1 Silent Chain (pictured)
LT4 = 1.6 RR Your Clone = 1.5 RR
LT4 = Red LT4 Intake Your Clone = None shown
Most of the things that make an LT4 different from an LT1 are just not there. You were selling a basic LT1 rebuild with a very mild cam and some basic head work. The price was ok but the LT4 tag is misleading.
Some photos are old stock. Our heads are modified, and for your information the stock LT4 casting #12555690 as you refer to them are SINGLE valve springs and are not worked in any way, The additional two bolts in the first 4 main caps does not add horsepower. The single roller timing chain is optional but not included at the price of the listing.
So yes, the kit in question does add most of the "Power Adding" ingredients of the LT4, hence the LT4 clone. Is the engine listed as a Genuine Corvette LT4? No.
We don’t proclaim to be GM but we are damn good at what we do.
All you need now is a Corvette to put your Geniune LT4 into! After all no camaro/firebird was ever produced with one! LOL
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Originally Posted by streetwarrior96
quote me on this...please so I can shoot my self... I thought my cam is a piece of crap. No having a 383 will not always guarantee more horse power. I've seen 355's with just as much if not more HP than 383's. If your certified in being a mechanic then I am the one who signed you off on those classes. I got tired of you flunking. The hot cam is the bench mark.... let me print this part out and use it as toilet paper. 10-4 on that SELLCrap
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funny stuff
Q: what kinda of retard would pay this kinda money for this kind of technology when you can make so much more hp with an ls1-ls7 new motor. Aug-17-07
A: What kind of retard would want an aluminum engine with nitrous? The LS1 and LS7's have been PROVEN to have problems staying sealed with high compression and or power adders. So to answer you question, yeah you could buy and LS1 or LS7 for less, but it would still be slow and inferior aka STOCK.
let me take this to the ls1 side see what they say
Q: what kinda of retard would pay this kinda money for this kind of technology when you can make so much more hp with an ls1-ls7 new motor. Aug-17-07
A: What kind of retard would want an aluminum engine with nitrous? The LS1 and LS7's have been PROVEN to have problems staying sealed with high compression and or power adders. So to answer you question, yeah you could buy and LS1 or LS7 for less, but it would still be slow and inferior aka STOCK.
let me take this to the ls1 side see what they say
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Originally Posted by streetwarrior96
funny stuff
Q: what kinda of retard would pay this kinda money for this kind of technology when you can make so much more hp with an ls1-ls7 new motor. Aug-17-07
A: What kind of retard would want an aluminum engine with nitrous? The LS1 and LS7's have been PROVEN to have problems staying sealed with high compression and or power adders. So to answer you question, yeah you could buy and LS1 or LS7 for less, but it would still be slow and inferior aka STOCK.
let me take this to the ls1 side see what they say
Q: what kinda of retard would pay this kinda money for this kind of technology when you can make so much more hp with an ls1-ls7 new motor. Aug-17-07
A: What kind of retard would want an aluminum engine with nitrous? The LS1 and LS7's have been PROVEN to have problems staying sealed with high compression and or power adders. So to answer you question, yeah you could buy and LS1 or LS7 for less, but it would still be slow and inferior aka STOCK.
let me take this to the ls1 side see what they say
I have aluminum engines and when it comes to forced induction ill opt for the cast iron block thankyou. Maybe I will spend a part of my savings on a case of "Bitchbegone" spray.
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Originally Posted by SELLC
You can take it to your mommy for all I care!
I have aluminum engines and when it comes to forced induction ill opt for the cast iron block thankyou. Maybe I will spend a part of my savings on a case of "Bitchbegone" spray.
I have aluminum engines and when it comes to forced induction ill opt for the cast iron block thankyou. Maybe I will spend a part of my savings on a case of "Bitchbegone" spray.
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Originally Posted by racerns
Well lets see here as I happen to have a LT4 396 in my car, which happened to cost alot less then $15K but I am sure we will talk about that later.
Base price for one of our LT4 clones if you supply your own camshaft and long block is $4000, not $15,000 like your trying to make it out.
Just so you know.
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Originally Posted by SELLC
Some photos are old stock. Our heads are modified, and for your information the stock LT4 casting #12555690 as you refer to them are SINGLE valve springs and are not worked in any way, The additional two bolts in the first 4 main caps does not add horsepower. The single roller timing chain is optional but not included at the price of the listing.
So yes, the kit in question does add most of the "Power Adding" ingredients of the LT4, hence the LT4 clone. Is the engine listed as a Genuine Corvette LT4? No.
We don’t proclaim to be GM but we are damn good at what we do.
All you need now is a Corvette to put your Geniune LT4 into! After all no camaro/firebird was ever produced with one! LOL
So yes, the kit in question does add most of the "Power Adding" ingredients of the LT4, hence the LT4 clone. Is the engine listed as a Genuine Corvette LT4? No.
We don’t proclaim to be GM but we are damn good at what we do.
All you need now is a Corvette to put your Geniune LT4 into! After all no camaro/firebird was ever produced with one! LOL
Man you really are dense. The point was that the main "power adding" ingredients of an LT4 were the heads and intake, your clone has neither. When GM sells a LT4 conversion kit what does it contain? The LT4 heads and intake. Maybe your engine makes LT4 power levels (which is not hard to do with and LT1) but calling it an LT4 conversion is false advertising.
Also the casting number usually refers to just the bare head casting not the entire assembly with the springs. I am well aware of the stock LT4 springs.
They did offer the f-body with an LT4 in '97 through SLP. My LT4 is far from genuine, obviously being a stroker, but I do have real LT4 heads, intake, and 4 bolt mian block.
Im with streetwarrior on this one. The motor is def. way overpriced. It being a 383 doesnt also mean you will see more hp than a 355, although in most cases you will see more torque. But then there are advantages and disadvantages to stroking a motor. Also you saying the ls1 is junk, makes you look like an idiot and you cant be comming onto this board (which is an ls1 board and say that crap). Stock for stock the ls1 will walk all over an lt-1 it has been PROVEN. Do you know how hard it is for a lt-1 car to make 500 hp to the wheels n/a compared to an lsx?? It just seems that you would rather make a quick dollar rather than have a good customer relationship with a quality motor and the way you come on here and post in defense calling people idiots because someone has an opinion about your product that you dont like, well im sorry to say it but that makes you the idiot. Now you have showed thousands of people what your all about, and the word of mouth travels quicker than any advertising you can do, not to mention its online even....