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POLL: Powershifting
#61
I'm glad you have someone to back you up, how unfortunate for me.
Honestly, I'm just trolling the internet causing trouble I've never even owned a manually shifted car. I can barely drive an automatic for that matter. So, I really don't have any idea what I'm talking about. Shift however you want to shift, who cares.
Honestly, I'm just trolling the internet causing trouble I've never even owned a manually shifted car. I can barely drive an automatic for that matter. So, I really don't have any idea what I'm talking about. Shift however you want to shift, who cares.
Last edited by JonCR96Z; 07-31-2006 at 11:53 PM.
#65
Originally Posted by gametech
At least your statement about being a troll explains the shitty attitude.
#66
Powershifting is key.
My factory clutch lasted 25k with lots of hard shifting. I broke most of the factory suspension pieces/driveshaft/rearend in the process... But the clutch lasted.
Next up for me is either a 12 bolt, or a 9" if I can make it fit. Then a Gforce T56 and a Mcleod twin disc to follow with a CF driveshaft.
For now I'm running an auto rear, all new LG suspension and LPE driveshaft. I should have the Spec 3 in this weekend if all goes as planned.
These cars were meant to be beat. They certainly aren't good for anything else. A weekend beating is all I ask...
EDIT: Wow just went back and read page 2/3. LMAO at most of those replys.
-Buy an auto car if you want to power shift
-Powershifting does not make a difference
Letting off the gas isn't powershifting BTW....
Obviously you've never seen anyone row through some gears. If done right, there's no hesitation at all, all you hear is the RPMs drop.
You guys need to get out more.
My factory clutch lasted 25k with lots of hard shifting. I broke most of the factory suspension pieces/driveshaft/rearend in the process... But the clutch lasted.
Next up for me is either a 12 bolt, or a 9" if I can make it fit. Then a Gforce T56 and a Mcleod twin disc to follow with a CF driveshaft.
For now I'm running an auto rear, all new LG suspension and LPE driveshaft. I should have the Spec 3 in this weekend if all goes as planned.
These cars were meant to be beat. They certainly aren't good for anything else. A weekend beating is all I ask...
EDIT: Wow just went back and read page 2/3. LMAO at most of those replys.
-Buy an auto car if you want to power shift
-Powershifting does not make a difference
Letting off the gas isn't powershifting BTW....
Obviously you've never seen anyone row through some gears. If done right, there's no hesitation at all, all you hear is the RPMs drop.
You guys need to get out more.
Last edited by BAD ASS TA WS6; 08-03-2006 at 05:37 PM.
#67
IMHO I think it's hard on the drivetrain in general... Especially us stock 10 bolt guys... It'd grenade if I speed shift it on DR's. Used to do it all the time in my 95Z and my TA when it was stock on yokahama street tires, and stock clutch, but that was because it would slip, not the RAM.
#68
No. I used to do it with my LS6 clutch and it only lasted ~20,000 miles before the springs on the pressure plate gave out and the plate collapsed. Im a slow shifter, I'd rather get it in the gear 100% of the time then to waste a good launch and miss a gear.
#71
If im on DR I do it from the 1-2 shift. I havent in awhile for the 2-3(ive blown 3rd gear twice now) and always for the 3-4 shift. I like it cause it keeps the cars RPMs up and in its powerband and helps give the car a good push when you release the clutch since its higher in its powerband.
Edit- let me add that I also have a Z06 clutch in the car w/ minor bolt ons. Ive pulled a 12.9 on street tires w/o powershifting and im hoping to get a 12.7 on DRs next time out, probaly powershifting
Edit- let me add that I also have a Z06 clutch in the car w/ minor bolt ons. Ive pulled a 12.9 on street tires w/o powershifting and im hoping to get a 12.7 on DRs next time out, probaly powershifting
Last edited by FBodyPerformer; 08-13-2006 at 07:27 PM.
#72
Bringing life back to the thread.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...46034297&hl=en
Me powershifting a cam only car. Not so fast, but very smooth. Can't hear the revs climb during shifts however foot never came off the floor. That was with a stock shifter. Pro 5.0 now.. a good bit faster.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...46034297&hl=en
Me powershifting a cam only car. Not so fast, but very smooth. Can't hear the revs climb during shifts however foot never came off the floor. That was with a stock shifter. Pro 5.0 now.. a good bit faster.
#73
you want to be fast or not? are you wiliing to drive your car hard? powershifting drop tenths, well it did for me anyway, that is like finding 30hp. Second place OK, then don't bother. You can think your doing all the right things and grind the gears, I powershift and I don't miss too many gears anymore. what do I know, not much about my SS yet but I do powershift, it is not that big of a deal. The car has to be setup to do it, you need to practice and experiment to find the quickest shift point/rev limiter combo.
check out my shifting from last fall, mustang squimish don't bother
example of what I do: 11.28 qualifier pass
I normally powershift going into 2nd and 3rd and about 50% of the time into 4th. When I don't powershift, my throttle position stays high like 75% or greater, almost a burping blip to rev match. How do I know that, I datalog stuff like throttle position to study what I am doing when I shift, all results in better pedal control. At the end of that movie above you can see my A/F log which shows very clean transitioning, powershifting can limit fuel pressure spikes which can cause A/F spikes which are then reported as flatspots by not just Mustang drivers. So there are reasons why guys have sucess doing it, some obvious, some not. The key is being fast enough and to have your Rev limiter set high enough so you don't bang off of it. If you hit the rev limiter you have completely wasted your effort because it will stumble. Everything like this takes practice, some people aren't willing to expend the effort or beat their car so they adopt the position "powershifting is bad", fine, you are right you shouldn't do it.
Shifting and clutch setup in general is easier on a stang, because you don't have to deal with a hydraulic clutch, much simpler with a cable you can install an adjuster for and get that pedal position nice and high which helps with faster shifts, but the clutches are the same. Well I bought a 99 SS to play around on the street with and just want to know what I have to do to it so I can Powershift it. Drill out the M/C line, upgrade to an 02 slave and of course a better clutch, right? I like Ram so a Powergrip sintered iron setup, like in my 04 last year, should hit hard like I want. OEM type pilot bearing, a matching RAM flywheel. A trick I did with my Tremec T-56 to help with faster shifts is swapping to Royal Purple Synthetic Syncromesh plus a 1/2 bottle of friction modifier, gunna try that too in the BorgWarner T-56, what special concoctions do guys run in their T-56. I can probably make the Hurst work for me, if not then a different shifter, what else?? Can I get the pedal adjusted high? I pick the thing up next week so I am trying to come up with a game plan so you can watch of movie of me Powershifting the SS, can't wait.
The point of powershifting is speed, if it is not faster for you than blipping the throttle off a WOT a touch, or completely coming off the throttle, then do it the way you feel most comfortable. It has to be second nature, if you think about it, you may screw it up. When you powershift without even realizing it or planning to ahead of time, it will then be the fastest way for you.
Just so you can't say you weren't warned
BAD things about powershifting
Missing a gear will spike the RPM's and smash the rev limiter
shifting from 3rd to 2nd is easy in the heat of the battle if you don't use some technique to force you to shift straight forward/back, like.. don't grasp the shifter handle by wrapping you fingers around it. try shifting with just your open palm against the shifter going into your spring centered gears (3rd/4th). Let the centering springs do their job, wrapping you fingers will allow you to try to influence the shifter and "help" it find the proper gate, not good idea if you "help" it int the wrong gate and easier to do if powershifting very fast.
powershifting into 2nd or 3rd can result in breaking the tires lose hard, I do mine in a controlled situation at the track, watchout on the street.
I lean on the shifter, anticipating the next shift actually applying some light pressure before I stab the clutch approx 3 inches, well sometimes it comes out of the gear sooner than you expect, just another way to mess it up, making it that much cooler when you nail all 3 of them!
some more of my shifting
check out my shifting from last fall, mustang squimish don't bother
example of what I do: 11.28 qualifier pass
I normally powershift going into 2nd and 3rd and about 50% of the time into 4th. When I don't powershift, my throttle position stays high like 75% or greater, almost a burping blip to rev match. How do I know that, I datalog stuff like throttle position to study what I am doing when I shift, all results in better pedal control. At the end of that movie above you can see my A/F log which shows very clean transitioning, powershifting can limit fuel pressure spikes which can cause A/F spikes which are then reported as flatspots by not just Mustang drivers. So there are reasons why guys have sucess doing it, some obvious, some not. The key is being fast enough and to have your Rev limiter set high enough so you don't bang off of it. If you hit the rev limiter you have completely wasted your effort because it will stumble. Everything like this takes practice, some people aren't willing to expend the effort or beat their car so they adopt the position "powershifting is bad", fine, you are right you shouldn't do it.
Shifting and clutch setup in general is easier on a stang, because you don't have to deal with a hydraulic clutch, much simpler with a cable you can install an adjuster for and get that pedal position nice and high which helps with faster shifts, but the clutches are the same. Well I bought a 99 SS to play around on the street with and just want to know what I have to do to it so I can Powershift it. Drill out the M/C line, upgrade to an 02 slave and of course a better clutch, right? I like Ram so a Powergrip sintered iron setup, like in my 04 last year, should hit hard like I want. OEM type pilot bearing, a matching RAM flywheel. A trick I did with my Tremec T-56 to help with faster shifts is swapping to Royal Purple Synthetic Syncromesh plus a 1/2 bottle of friction modifier, gunna try that too in the BorgWarner T-56, what special concoctions do guys run in their T-56. I can probably make the Hurst work for me, if not then a different shifter, what else?? Can I get the pedal adjusted high? I pick the thing up next week so I am trying to come up with a game plan so you can watch of movie of me Powershifting the SS, can't wait.
The point of powershifting is speed, if it is not faster for you than blipping the throttle off a WOT a touch, or completely coming off the throttle, then do it the way you feel most comfortable. It has to be second nature, if you think about it, you may screw it up. When you powershift without even realizing it or planning to ahead of time, it will then be the fastest way for you.
Just so you can't say you weren't warned
BAD things about powershifting
Missing a gear will spike the RPM's and smash the rev limiter
shifting from 3rd to 2nd is easy in the heat of the battle if you don't use some technique to force you to shift straight forward/back, like.. don't grasp the shifter handle by wrapping you fingers around it. try shifting with just your open palm against the shifter going into your spring centered gears (3rd/4th). Let the centering springs do their job, wrapping you fingers will allow you to try to influence the shifter and "help" it find the proper gate, not good idea if you "help" it int the wrong gate and easier to do if powershifting very fast.
powershifting into 2nd or 3rd can result in breaking the tires lose hard, I do mine in a controlled situation at the track, watchout on the street.
I lean on the shifter, anticipating the next shift actually applying some light pressure before I stab the clutch approx 3 inches, well sometimes it comes out of the gear sooner than you expect, just another way to mess it up, making it that much cooler when you nail all 3 of them!
some more of my shifting
#75
#80
Originally Posted by BLK02TA
So which do you do and why?
When I say powershifting, I mean pushing the clutch in but leaving the pedal to the metal. Basicly not letting up on the gas.
When I say powershifting, I mean pushing the clutch in but leaving the pedal to the metal. Basicly not letting up on the gas.
hell yeah !
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powershifting FTW!