H/C WS6 vs. turbocharged Integra GSR
12-06-2008, 04:25 AM
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http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A...ged_200084.htm
This is what I mean by manipulating where your torque is achieved. This is a classic example of a small displacement motor with a decent size turbo, vs a car with 3 times the displacement + FI and more torque/more hp. As long as you're in the right gear, torque will not play a factor.
12-06-2008, 08:25 AM
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Look at a dyno graph and tell me how your car can continue to accelerate despite torque falling in higher rpms. This is my point. Torque will not accelerate your car. "The point I'm trying to advocate is that there is no reason to look at the torque. If you want an engine that produces 1000hp a@ 8,500rpm you will need 617ft/lbs of torque. The misunderstanding is that you are thinking that I'm saying you will never need torque at all. This is not the point I was trying to make. I was trying to say that you can throw out your torque numbers, they are unimportant. Now for the car to make X amount of horsepower it will need Y amount of torque at Z rpm. So you will need torque to make horsepower. However the torque, as a number, is useless to brag about. It is useless to say, well my car makes 400ft/lbs of torque. Now if that same person was to say "My car makes 400ft/lbs of torque at 8000rpm" its a different story. But thats only because that means he's making 609RWHP. Which is definitely a force to be reckoned with".
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A...ged_200084.htm
This is what I mean by manipulating where your torque is achieved. This is a classic example of a small displacement motor with a decent size turbo, vs a car with 3 times the displacement + FI and more torque/more hp. As long as you're in the right gear, torque will not play a factor.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A...ged_200084.htm
This is what I mean by manipulating where your torque is achieved. This is a classic example of a small displacement motor with a decent size turbo, vs a car with 3 times the displacement + FI and more torque/more hp. As long as you're in the right gear, torque will not play a factor.
12-06-2008, 08:33 AM
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Just because your torque output is falling versus RPM and is not at peak does not mean you are not still accelerating. Dude you need to re-think how you read graphs. With your reasoning, the speed of the car declines as the torque curve declines. Simply not true. If an engine has peak torque at 5k RPM, are you telling me a car powered by this engine will begin slowing down after the engine passes 5k RPM. You are disregarding basic physics.
12-06-2008, 08:39 AM
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What a ******* tool....
But then again Ricer Math has be jacked up for as long as there were ricers....
Nice runs... And that car would sure upset a bunch of unexpected mild LS1s.. Hard for me to say that though I hate rice.
But then again Ricer Math has be jacked up for as long as there were ricers....
Nice runs... And that car would sure upset a bunch of unexpected mild LS1s.. Hard for me to say that though I hate rice.
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12-06-2008, 02:22 PM
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25psi, you have a argumentative teenager thinks he knows all attitude. The reason why you continue to accelerate is because there are still rpms left in the powerband, yeah, its wasted as it falls, but you still continue to accelerate because there are mulitple gear ratios. thats why you want to get you shift right after peak TQ so you are always building torque while accelerating. thats what you might be thinking about.
Heres another thought. Take a dodge cummins truck, you have 500ish HP, but the way a diesle is, it makes most of it power in the low RPMS, there for it has higher TQ, say 1000lb/ft. so after about 3K rpms, are you gonna say that the truck will no longer pull a load? Just watch this vid you damn tool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmz_n...layer_embedded
Now a 1000lb/ft of TQ wont do anything for you?
I am done.
Heres another thought. Take a dodge cummins truck, you have 500ish HP, but the way a diesle is, it makes most of it power in the low RPMS, there for it has higher TQ, say 1000lb/ft. so after about 3K rpms, are you gonna say that the truck will no longer pull a load? Just watch this vid you damn tool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmz_n...layer_embedded
Now a 1000lb/ft of TQ wont do anything for you?
I am done.
12-06-2008, 04:55 PM
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What a gay *** fucken thread full of swingers.......
Secound im not shocked at this race, full weight GSR with a little over 300whp vs and fullbolton LS1.
Doesnt shock me at the out come, but he shouldnt have lost by that much
Wheel spin
Secound im not shocked at this race, full weight GSR with a little over 300whp vs and fullbolton LS1.
Doesnt shock me at the out come, but he shouldnt have lost by that much
Wheel spin
12-06-2008, 06:59 PM
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25psi, you have a argumentative teenager thinks he knows all attitude. The reason why you continue to accelerate is because there are still rpms left in the powerband, yeah, its wasted as it falls, but you still continue to accelerate because there are mulitple gear ratios. thats why you want to get you shift right after peak TQ so you are always building torque while accelerating. thats what you might be thinking about.
Heres another thought. Take a dodge cummins truck, you have 500ish HP, but the way a diesle is, it makes most of it power in the low RPMS, there for it has higher TQ, say 1000lb/ft. so after about 3K rpms, are you gonna say that the truck will no longer pull a load? Just watch this vid you damn tool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmz_n...layer_embedded
Now a 1000lb/ft of TQ wont do anything for you?
I am done.
Heres another thought. Take a dodge cummins truck, you have 500ish HP, but the way a diesle is, it makes most of it power in the low RPMS, there for it has higher TQ, say 1000lb/ft. so after about 3K rpms, are you gonna say that the truck will no longer pull a load? Just watch this vid you damn tool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmz_n...layer_embedded
Now a 1000lb/ft of TQ wont do anything for you?
I am done.
Its best to make torque in the higher rpms because then you will make more power. For instance, stroking or increasing displacement will not necessarily make more power. Increasing displacement augments torque because a greater volume of air (and thus fuel) is combusted per revolution, imparting more force on the crank and thus producing more torque. However, without changing the rest of the setup, you are not actually flowing more total air, so power stays the same. That is why a stroked engine generally pulls the curve to the left and inflates the torque curve (more torque produced accross the RPM band), but doesnt increase HP on a given setup (the ONLY way that would happen would be if the HP curve is still rising at redline, increasing VE, meaning more airflow could be obtained at the same redline by increasing displacement).
12-06-2008, 07:18 PM
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You can't compare the gas vs diesel, considering they work in a different operation. Thats why diesel is not ideal for drag racing(not saying it won't work). But diesels rev slower and have a much lower rpm cycle.
Its best to make torque in the higher rpms because then you will make more power. For instance, stroking or increasing displacement will not necessarily make more power. Increasing displacement augments torque because a greater volume of air (and thus fuel) is combusted per revolution, imparting more force on the crank and thus producing more torque. However, without changing the rest of the setup, you are not actually flowing more total air, so power stays the same. That is why a stroked engine generally pulls the curve to the left and inflates the torque curve (more torque produced accross the RPM band), but doesnt increase HP on a given setup (the ONLY way that would happen would be if the HP curve is still rising at redline, increasing VE, meaning more airflow could be obtained at the same redline by increasing displacement).
Its best to make torque in the higher rpms because then you will make more power. For instance, stroking or increasing displacement will not necessarily make more power. Increasing displacement augments torque because a greater volume of air (and thus fuel) is combusted per revolution, imparting more force on the crank and thus producing more torque. However, without changing the rest of the setup, you are not actually flowing more total air, so power stays the same. That is why a stroked engine generally pulls the curve to the left and inflates the torque curve (more torque produced accross the RPM band), but doesnt increase HP on a given setup (the ONLY way that would happen would be if the HP curve is still rising at redline, increasing VE, meaning more airflow could be obtained at the same redline by increasing displacement).
12-06-2008, 07:31 PM
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Im not calling names bro, But why for the love of god are you saying this. Added displacement will yeild more power on any motor except a hybrid. A car with good midrange and topend tq is key Unless your towing. Yes the diesel are a dam good example of tq 1000 fpt of the line will push that truck into the 11 sec range. Tq moves **** bro bottom line. My nephew has a prelude with a h22 and a gt35r Now his car makes in the area of 500+ hp and 489 tq I know the tq numbers. As a matter of fact I know his carries tq from 3.5k to 7k peak is at 5.5k. And he can rape a bolt on ls1 and some headed ones. But boosted ls1 they allways pull on him untill he hits third and thats if he can will stop a pull and reel some people in. Is it TQ? Why yes because that gear is higher than the first two and allows him to use his tq curve.
Why did the S2k increase from 2.0 to 2.2 but the hp remained the same? Torque was increase, but not hp. Same with the Dodge diesel. It increased from 5.9 to 6.7 but power remained the same. Torque was augmented though.
People keep saying torque wins races. I say to you this. Line up a C6Z and a 2006 Viper and run em. Let me know who wins.
12-06-2008, 07:36 PM
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Im not calling names bro, But why for the love of god are you saying this. Added displacement will yeild more power on any motor except a hybrid. A car with good midrange and topend tq is key Unless your towing. Yes the diesel are a dam good example of tq 1000 fpt of the line will push that truck into the 11 sec range. Tq moves **** bro bottom line. My nephew has a prelude with a h22 and a gt35r Now his car makes in the area of 500+ hp and 489 tq I know the tq numbers. As a matter of fact I know his carries tq from 3.5k to 7k peak is at 5.5k. And he can rape a bolt on ls1 and some headed ones. But boosted ls1 they allways pull on him untill he hits third and thats if he can will stop a pull and reel some people in. Is it TQ? Why yes because that gear is higher than the first two and allows him to use his tq curve.
