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Tell me how having a clutch pedal makes driving the car any better. My car downshifts and upshifts exactly like yours and anytime I want to when it's in manual mode. I just don't have to push in the clutch pedal to shift it. I even have 6 speeds just like your GTO does.
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I think you just like arguing. The reason that I think manual transmissions are better (and more enjoyable) is because the driver is controlling everything that is going on. If you do well it's because of your efforts, and if you do bad it's your fault. As long as I have use of my left leg, I will always own a stick shift car.
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Clutchless manuals are for old, lazy F1 wannabe's. It is sad the GTR isn't offered with a proper manual transmission the kind with a clutch pedal. Many companies including Buggati and Ferrari have gone to gimmicks to coddle their owners and make them feel like the racing legends - they are not. Everyone looks like a bad *** with launch control and a F1 style transmission. The next big thing for cars will be a button to have a track plotted by GPS and let the cars computer accelerate, brake and turn for you, I hope the lameness will stop. However, I know the masses are lazy and talentless with little desire to attain a skill, this doesn't bode well for the manual transmission and clutch pedal set.
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It is a car built by the manufacturer with no intentions of it hitting the street vs a car built for the track and still be able to drive on the street.
Clutchless manuals are for old, lazy F1 wannabe's. It is sad the GTR isn't offered with a proper manual transmission the kind with a clutch pedal. Many companies including Buggati and Ferrari have gone to gimmicks to coddle their owners and make them feel like the racing legends - they are not. Everyone looks like a bad *** with launch control and a F1 style transmission. The next big thing for cars will be a button to have a track plotted by GPS and let the cars computer accelerate, brake and turn for you, I hope the lameness will stop. However, I know the masses are lazy and talentless with little desire to attain a skill, this doesn't bode well for the manual transmission and clutch pedal set.
Tell ya what, why dont we all put crank windows back in, take out a/c, go back to drum brakes...because real racers dont need fancy disc brakes to stop...ditch stability control, ditch abs, ditch fuel injection, turbos, nitrous ect ect and live with shitty 2 bbl carbs on old sbc motors....because thats how racing is really done...with manual 4 speeds.
LOL how insecure are people to cry about cars not having clutch pedals because they think everyone will be able to drive fast.
Who cares?
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I prefer my AC and disc brakes. I just hate stupid flappy paddle gear boxes. Might as well just be a automatic. If you want to do things by just hitting a button get a xbox and Forza 3. If you want to be engaged in the car and the art of driving... get a proper manual.
I prefer my AC and disc brakes. I just hate stupid flappy paddle gear boxes. Might as well just be a automatic. If you want to do things by just hitting a button get a xbox and Forza 3. If you want to be engaged in the car and the art of driving... get a proper manual.
Do you see how stupid the argument is.
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No I dont. A standard AWD system does NOT detract from anything other than your ability to turn well. As long as it isnt some super advanced vectoring system it doesnt do anything you dont ask it to do.
I agree on stability control, my current car only has ABS because it was standard and for in the wet when dodging the amazingly moronic drivers in MD.
But i still hold that any 2 pedal setup is made for commuting and not driving. You want to be a driver and be envolved. Get a proper manual and learn to cope with your left leg being used a little.
I agree on stability control, my current car only has ABS because it was standard and for in the wet when dodging the amazingly moronic drivers in MD.
But i still hold that any 2 pedal setup is made for commuting and not driving. You want to be a driver and be envolved. Get a proper manual and learn to cope with your left leg being used a little.
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some examples... try this one about 1:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CjT7j5fDG8
MOAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYVSO...eature=related
And this video jsut cause. well youll understand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njrK0...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CjT7j5fDG8
MOAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYVSO...eature=related
And this video jsut cause. well youll understand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njrK0...eature=related
No I dont. A standard AWD system does NOT detract from anything other than your ability to turn well. As long as it isnt some super advanced vectoring system it doesnt do anything you dont ask it to do.
I agree on stability control, my current car only has ABS because it was standard and for in the wet when dodging the amazingly moronic drivers in MD.
But i still hold that any 2 pedal setup is made for commuting and not driving. You want to be a driver and be envolved. Get a proper manual and learn to cope with your left leg being used a little.
I agree on stability control, my current car only has ABS because it was standard and for in the wet when dodging the amazingly moronic drivers in MD.
But i still hold that any 2 pedal setup is made for commuting and not driving. You want to be a driver and be envolved. Get a proper manual and learn to cope with your left leg being used a little.
Nope. AWD is for people that cant properly handle turns at higher speeds. LOL. Its such a dick measuring contest between auto and manual guys. A dual clutch auto has every advantage of a true manual....but with the ability to keep both hands on the wheel and faster shift times.
But hey...what to the worlds best car builders know?
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They only know how to cater to the masses. They want to sell cars and realized that every short guy needing a bolster to his ego wanted as many TOYS to play with as possible. So along those lines they dont care how a car handles/accelerates/feels past anything that can be measured and then printed in as many magazines as possible so that the little guy buying their "sports car" can go and site that their PDK transmission shifts in 1 millionth of a second or that their car is capable of 300mph while pulling a 2g turn. And to that end just because a auto maker says its best does NOT make it so.
They only know how to cater to the masses. They want to sell cars and realized that every short guy needing a bolster to his ego wanted as many TOYS to play with as possible. So along those lines they dont care how a car handles/accelerates/feels past anything that can be measured and then printed in as many magazines as possible so that the little guy buying their "sports car" can go and site that their PDK transmission shifts in 1 millionth of a second or that their car is capable of 300mph while pulling a 2g turn. And to that end just because a auto maker says its best does NOT make it so.
Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean its not a better idea. Im not saying a true clutch should be eliminated, but it just seems the cool thing for true manual guys to attack nowadays is the dual clutch auto...like you guys are intimidated by autos and dual clutch autos.
Ever hear an auto guy saying....aww man them guys with manuals think they are real race car drivers using their left legs for something? Its just as stupid to say the opposite.
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From: Mary, F#$KIN, Land
I jus thtink they are for lazy ******** who dont want to acutally DRIVE their cars. They want them to be driven for them. IMO you either drive a manual(clutch pedal) or a automatic. And all these newage dual clutch and shiftable automatics are still made for the masses(even the smaller masses that buy ferrari and lambos). And the masses do not want to drive. they want to be noticed for being in their car while doing as little as possible while being noticed. Sorry get a manual with a third pedal and stop whinning.
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That depends on what "better" means to you. I view SMG/F1-style transmissions around road courses and the like, just like I view stalled-automatics on the dragstrip. Yes they help you go faster; but the ME, driving is done with 3 pedals. I don't dog anybody that uses it, but trust me RedHot... your G8's automatic does not give you as much control as a car with a clutch pedal.
That depends on what "better" means to you. I view SMG/F1-style transmissions around road courses and the like, just like I view stalled-automatics on the dragstrip. Yes they help you go faster; but the ME, driving is done with 3 pedals. I don't dog anybody that uses it, but trust me RedHot... your G8's automatic does not give you as much control as a car with a clutch pedal.
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OMG I AM TAKING HTE MUSTANG LOVERS SIDE... What has the world come to. But I agree completely.
And also with stability/traction control. If you cant handle it... fix you not the car in those cases.
And also with stability/traction control. If you cant handle it... fix you not the car in those cases.
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Well tell all the professional racers to stop using them. Also you are the one who came into a thread with a car that uses a dual clutch auto and started whinning.
There is a big difference between a tap shift auto and a dual clutch auto. Go drive a EVO X MR. Its fun as a ************. Tap shift in my Camaro sucks ***, even tuned.
There is a big difference between a tap shift auto and a dual clutch auto. Go drive a EVO X MR. Its fun as a ************. Tap shift in my Camaro sucks ***, even tuned.
Id rather have the GSR evo with a proper manual.