2012 GTR sets ring record with 7:20
***Repost Police***
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,480
Likes: 0
From: DFW, TX
I'm done trying to argue with your pig-headed ignorance, since you can't understand simple concepts (like how a clutch offers you more control, and how the car you buy doesn't represent how "patriotic" you are). If somebody else wants to try, good luck to them.
Control of what is all I want to know. The clutch doesn't allow me to control my Harley any better. It does allow me to shift without grinding the transmission gears to death though. Sometimes a I power shift my YZ250 without the clutch, and it's still going strong after 27 years without a rebuild.
TECH Regular
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 476
Likes: 0
Nice choice. The clip of Clarkson from Top Gear and Tiff from 5th Gear are dead on correct. Automatic slushboxes are for souless drivers that lack passion for the automotive sports. Automatics do have their place though - great for stop and go commuting and the drag strip - if you are just going after a number.
It's stupid to label car enthusiasts that prefer automatics as soulless drivers that lack passion for racing.
Different strokes for different folks.
Who are you to judge them?
Just because someone prefers something different than you doesn't mean you should label them the way you are. **** man...
I prefer a manual for road course racing, but I've also driven circles around people while driving automatic cars.
I also don't get why some people act like driving an H-pattern manual is some sort of incredibly difficult art. If you're looking to snap off the best possible time at the strip, then yeah, you need to be pretty damn good. On a roadcourse, how quickly you shift isn't always that big of a deal and heal-toe down shifting isn't difficult to get good at. Maybe that's just me though.
BTW, Clarkson and Tiff have both owned automatic cars over the last few years.
Last edited by DiscerningZ32; Oct 21, 2010 at 08:39 PM.
TECH Regular
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 476
Likes: 0
It's when people try to belittle those that like automatics that they seem like they're in it for the ego booster. Or maybe they just like putting people down. Who knows...
LS1 Tech Stories
The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them
Pouria Savadkouei
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked
Pouria Savadkouei
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP
Verdad Gallardo
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes
Verdad Gallardo
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power
Verdad Gallardo
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die
Verdad Gallardo
On The Tree
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 175
Likes: 0
From: Mary, F#$KIN, Land
No the trans shifts when I move the shift lever in manual mode, not before or not after. The tuner allows me to adjust how hard it shifts when I move the shift lever. What part of that don't you understand? I can see why you think your clutch shifted trans is better than an auto/manual because you don't even know how it works.
On The Tree
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 175
Likes: 0
From: Mary, F#$KIN, Land
I understand this. But how hard it is shifted is chosen by someone or something OTHER than you right? I understand you say when it happens.... But not how hard or abrupt or smoothly. You have to rely on someone else to TUNE it for you.
***Repost Police***
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,480
Likes: 0
From: DFW, TX
On a separate (but related) note, I can't help but laugh when you talk about how your previous manual transmission cars give your "leg a workout." It's a hydraulic clutch man... they're light as feathers. Even the clutch in my S2000 (hydraulic) was heavier than the stock clutch in a Vette/F-body. Drive a Mustang with an upgraded clutch for a couple years and then get back to me.
I have a Superchips hand held tuner that plugs into my car and I can change the shift firmness to my liking.
On a separate (but related) note, I can't help but laugh when you talk about how your previous manual transmission cars give your "leg a workout." It's a hydraulic clutch man... they're light as feathers. Even the clutch in my S2000 (hydraulic) was heavier than the stock clutch in a Vette/F-body. Drive a Mustang with an upgraded clutch for a couple years and then get back to me.
On The Tree
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 175
Likes: 0
From: Mary, F#$KIN, Land
SO you are still telling the computer how you want to shift.. instead of just doing it yourself with a proper manual? I am confused... You keep saying the same thing... Something/someone else gets to pick how your car shifts.
I control WHEN it shifts with the shift lever. I can choose HOW HARD I want it to shift with the tuner. If I run WOT to 6200 rpm and don't move the shifter it won't shift, it'll hit the rev limiter just like your car. It does shift harder when I give it more throttle, so I can control the shift firmness depending on how much throttle I give it.
***Repost Police***
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,480
Likes: 0
From: DFW, TX
And in the end, it's just an automatic that lets you suggest when you want it to shift. If it were as good as an actual manual transmission, that's what Ferrari/BMW/Lamborghini would use.
Evidently his trans wasn't tuned correctly then. Superchips has released quite a few revisions to their tune until they finally got it right. There are very few places that really know how to tune the auto trans in the Camaro and the G8.