2012 GTR sets ring record with 7:20
10-21-2010, 08:12 PM
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I'm done trying to argue with your pig-headed ignorance, since you can't understand simple concepts (like how a clutch offers you more control, and how the car you buy doesn't represent how "patriotic" you are). If somebody else wants to try, good luck to them.
10-21-2010, 08:22 PM
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Control of what is all I want to know. The clutch doesn't allow me to control my Harley any better. It does allow me to shift without grinding the transmission gears to death though. Sometimes a I power shift my YZ250 without the clutch, and it's still going strong after 27 years without a rebuild.
10-21-2010, 08:29 PM
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Nice choice. The clip of Clarkson from Top Gear and Tiff from 5th Gear are dead on correct. Automatic slushboxes are for souless drivers that lack passion for the automotive sports. Automatics do have their place though - great for stop and go commuting and the drag strip - if you are just going after a number.
It's stupid to label car enthusiasts that prefer automatics as soulless drivers that lack passion for racing.
Different strokes for different folks.
Who are you to judge them?
Just because someone prefers something different than you doesn't mean you should label them the way you are. **** man...
I prefer a manual for road course racing, but I've also driven circles around people while driving automatic cars.
I also don't get why some people act like driving an H-pattern manual is some sort of incredibly difficult art. If you're looking to snap off the best possible time at the strip, then yeah, you need to be pretty damn good. On a roadcourse, how quickly you shift isn't always that big of a deal and heal-toe down shifting isn't difficult to get good at. Maybe that's just me though.
BTW, Clarkson and Tiff have both owned automatic cars over the last few years.
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10-21-2010, 08:38 PM
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Like I said... if you're happy with your automatic (because that's what you have, don't kid yourself) then good for you. But I get satisfaction out of banging my own gears.
10-21-2010, 08:45 PM
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It's when people try to belittle those that like automatics that they seem like they're in it for the ego booster. Or maybe they just like putting people down. Who knows...
10-21-2010, 08:48 PM
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10-21-2010, 08:58 PM
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No the trans shifts when I move the shift lever in manual mode, not before or not after. The tuner allows me to adjust how hard it shifts when I move the shift lever. What part of that don't you understand? I can see why you think your clutch shifted trans is better than an auto/manual because you don't even know how it works.
10-21-2010, 09:00 PM
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I understand this. But how hard it is shifted is chosen by someone or something OTHER than you right? I understand you say when it happens.... But not how hard or abrupt or smoothly. You have to rely on someone else to TUNE it for you.
10-21-2010, 09:02 PM
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On a separate (but related) note, I can't help but laugh when you talk about how your previous manual transmission cars give your "leg a workout." It's a hydraulic clutch man... they're light as feathers. Even the clutch in my S2000 (hydraulic) was heavier than the stock clutch in a Vette/F-body. Drive a Mustang with an upgraded clutch for a couple years and then get back to me.
10-21-2010, 09:06 PM
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On a separate (but related) note, I can't help but laugh when you talk about how your previous manual transmission cars give your "leg a workout." It's a hydraulic clutch man... they're light as feathers. Even the clutch in my S2000 (hydraulic) was heavier than the stock clutch in a Vette/F-body. Drive a Mustang with an upgraded clutch for a couple years and then get back to me.
10-21-2010, 09:10 PM
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SO you are still telling the computer how you want to shift.. instead of just doing it yourself with a proper manual? I am confused... You keep saying the same thing... Something/someone else gets to pick how your car shifts.
10-21-2010, 09:15 PM
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I control WHEN it shifts with the shift lever. I can choose HOW HARD I want it to shift with the tuner. If I run WOT to 6200 rpm and don't move the shifter it won't shift, it'll hit the rev limiter just like your car. It does shift harder when I give it more throttle, so I can control the shift firmness depending on how much throttle I give it.
10-21-2010, 09:21 PM
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And in the end, it's just an automatic that lets you suggest when you want it to shift. If it were as good as an actual manual transmission, that's what Ferrari/BMW/Lamborghini would use.
