2012 GTR sets ring record with 7:20
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What racing class are you referring to specifically? Tell Jeggy that autos win races. Maybe tell Billy Glidden that. What "fastest cars in the world" happen to be autos? Just curious.
Perhaps you're talking circle track stuff? If so, I'll bow out since turning is over rated.
I can appreciate the GTR for what it is and I'm sure it's a blast to drive. I'm just not a fan of the styling.
Perhaps you're talking circle track stuff? If so, I'll bow out since turning is over rated.
I can appreciate the GTR for what it is and I'm sure it's a blast to drive. I'm just not a fan of the styling.
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Most people I listen to who ramble on about how clutch-less gearboxes aren't fun or take away from the experience of driving have never driven a good one around a road course.
You want an obnoxious driving experience, drive an over weight, front heavy, car with Subaru's AWD system around a road course like Watkins Glenn. Nothing's more fun than braking hard into a turn, having the nose dive hard and then having loads of understeer right before the apex.
Everything comes down to personal preference. I've owned a few AWD cars and I really don't think I'll buy another one for serious track duty for example.
You want an obnoxious driving experience, drive an over weight, front heavy, car with Subaru's AWD system around a road course like Watkins Glenn. Nothing's more fun than braking hard into a turn, having the nose dive hard and then having loads of understeer right before the apex.
Everything comes down to personal preference. I've owned a few AWD cars and I really don't think I'll buy another one for serious track duty for example.
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Above you said that AWD allows you to turn well, and now you say your car has a lot of understeer. It seems AWD isn't useful at all for turning in your car.
And you still haven't explained why a clutch operated manual is better than a clutchless manual or my auto/manual. Using your left leg for the total driving experience is a lame answer.
And you still haven't explained why a clutch operated manual is better than a clutchless manual or my auto/manual. Using your left leg for the total driving experience is a lame answer.
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Nope. AWD is for people that cant properly handle turns at higher speeds. LOL. Its such a dick measuring contest between auto and manual guys. A dual clutch auto has every advantage of a true manual....but with the ability to keep both hands on the wheel and faster shift times.
But hey...what to the worlds best car builders know?
But hey...what to the worlds best car builders know?
Real sports cars are rwd, have manual transmissions with a clutch pedal that allow the driver to control the car, and NOT the car control the driver. In other words automatics/paddle shift with AWD/FWD need not apply.
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Nice choice. The clip of Clarkson from Top Gear and Tiff from 5th Gear are dead on correct. Automatic slushboxes are for souless drivers that lack passion for the automotive sports. Automatics do have their place though - great for stop and go commuting and the drag strip - if you are just going after a number.
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I don't have an auto/manual because I'm lazy, my Harley and my Yamaha YZ250 have a clutch and a manual gearbox and I ride them both quite often. Besides most people will agree that having a clutch in a daily driver when you're in heavy stop & go traffic is a pain in the ***. So I still haven't heard why it's an advantage to have a clutch pedal in a car.
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I think you really do have some serious comprehension problems... let's try this one more time. NOBODY IS SAYING THAT A MANUAL TRANSMISSION IS "BETTER" OR HAS AN ADVANTAGE OVER A CLUTCHLESS MANUAL (which is not what you have, by the way). What some people are saying, is that a clutch pedal gives you a certain amount of control and interaction that you cannot get any other way. And to those people (including myself), a car with three pedals is the only way to go.
You have the comprehension problem, and let's try this once more. I asked what control the clutch pedal gives you when driving and you or anyone else has yet to answer me. All it does is disengage/engage the motor & trans plus give your left leg a workout, specially in heavy traffic. It doesn't make the car shift better or make it any faster. In fact an automatic is usually faster than a full manual, so it seems it's a disadvantage. It seems to me having a clutch pedal is an ego booster more than anything.
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