2011 GT H/C/I makes 507hp N/A
02-23-2011, 01:48 PM
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^^^ Quick search on google says Crate LS3 weighs approx 415 pounds thats including the crate material.
The 5.0 on google says crate weight is approx 430 pounds. Allbaugh is correct the 5.0 does weigh more... 15 pounds is not a big difference though.
The 5.0 on google says crate weight is approx 430 pounds. Allbaugh is correct the 5.0 does weigh more... 15 pounds is not a big difference though.
02-23-2011, 06:08 PM
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its just funny to see everyone crying foul...these are probably the same people that said the Coyote would never hit the 500 hp mark n/a. surprise, surprise. anyone else want to doubt this motor? post it now or forever hold your peace. just to put it out there, i dont own a ford, but i am not narrow-minded either.
02-24-2011, 01:13 AM
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its just funny to see everyone crying foul...these are probably the same people that said the Coyote would never hit the 500 hp mark n/a. surprise, surprise. anyone else want to doubt this motor? post it now or forever hold your peace. just to put it out there, i dont own a ford, but i am not narrow-minded either.
02-24-2011, 01:48 AM
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02-24-2011, 02:41 AM
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Just because it's not a big, burly, huge stroke, pushrod engine, doesn't mean that it can't compete. The powerband is different, but, that's what they make close ratio gear boxes for. If you've driven a new Mustang, you would know this. The car is not a dog by any means.
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02-24-2011, 03:21 AM
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I have said from the beginning this motor is legit. Its a very nice piece from ford. However, I will always choose simplicity over complexity and I will always choose low/mid torque to 6k+ hp for a street car. Not knocking ford but its not my cup of tea. I do think ford got the package right. Their mustang has stayed light, nimble, able to handle, and priced right. Its competition, not so much.
02-24-2011, 06:23 AM
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Who cares? It's an 11 second car with intake, tune, and drag radials.. It costs 27K, and will stop a new one into any of the other cars in it's segment, for 10k less.
Just because it's not a big, burly, huge stroke, pushrod engine, doesn't mean that it can't compete. The powerband is different, but, that's what they make close ratio gear boxes for. If you've driven a new Mustang, you would know this. The car is not a dog by any means.
Travis
Just because it's not a big, burly, huge stroke, pushrod engine, doesn't mean that it can't compete. The powerband is different, but, that's what they make close ratio gear boxes for. If you've driven a new Mustang, you would know this. The car is not a dog by any means.
Travis
And if you want to start check stock ported head and cam the LS1 has been a better Powerband (hp/tq) with the Cartek 4x setup.
02-24-2011, 11:31 AM
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Who cares? It's an 11 second car with intake, tune, and drag radials.. It costs 27K, and will stop a new one into any of the other cars in it's segment, for 10k less.
Just because it's not a big, burly, huge stroke, pushrod engine, doesn't mean that it can't compete. The powerband is different, but, that's what they make close ratio gear boxes for. If you've driven a new Mustang, you would know this. The car is not a dog by any means.
Travis
Just because it's not a big, burly, huge stroke, pushrod engine, doesn't mean that it can't compete. The powerband is different, but, that's what they make close ratio gear boxes for. If you've driven a new Mustang, you would know this. The car is not a dog by any means.
Travis
All in all, the mustang and its engine are great. It makes good power for its size. But its a toy, its not good all around because it is such a high revving engine. If I wanted a toy, I wouldn't pay $30k for it then go to work on it. I would build the engine myself and put it in something nice. Thats just me. I am a torque junky. You can blame my old Pontiac engines for that.
02-24-2011, 12:02 PM
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What about driveability?
Does a 500whp N/A LS motor have the same street manners as a 500whp N/A 5 liter? I doubt it..
Having VTC lets us do a LOT with this new Ford engine. The cams in the engine in question are nothing more than slightly larger factory regrinds. They cost 799.00 IIRC. The car does not lope AT ALL. The heads are just mildly cleaned up. It still has the stock valves, springs, and retainers. So, you know that it's not a very aggressive setup. This is just the tip of the iceburg for what this engine can (and will) do in the coming years.
This car does not lope at all. It sounds like a stock engine with bolt-on's. It doesn't smell like a rolling gas station, and it still gets 25-26mpg on the highway. It doesn't need a 4K rpm stall.. It'll run in the 10's on slicks, with full interior, and you can drive it home with the A/C blasting when you're finished.
What's not to like about it? Because Ford built it? I've built and owned both GM and Ford vehicles. I know what it takes to build both, and they are both completely different animals. The LS family of engines is nice, but, having a 4 valve OHC engine, with VTC is where it's at. You can tune the cam timing for good bottom end, and street manners.. then, let it rip at high RPM. It really is the best of both worlds.
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Does a 500whp N/A LS motor have the same street manners as a 500whp N/A 5 liter? I doubt it..
Having VTC lets us do a LOT with this new Ford engine. The cams in the engine in question are nothing more than slightly larger factory regrinds. They cost 799.00 IIRC. The car does not lope AT ALL. The heads are just mildly cleaned up. It still has the stock valves, springs, and retainers. So, you know that it's not a very aggressive setup. This is just the tip of the iceburg for what this engine can (and will) do in the coming years.
This car does not lope at all. It sounds like a stock engine with bolt-on's. It doesn't smell like a rolling gas station, and it still gets 25-26mpg on the highway. It doesn't need a 4K rpm stall.. It'll run in the 10's on slicks, with full interior, and you can drive it home with the A/C blasting when you're finished.
What's not to like about it? Because Ford built it? I've built and owned both GM and Ford vehicles. I know what it takes to build both, and they are both completely different animals. The LS family of engines is nice, but, having a 4 valve OHC engine, with VTC is where it's at. You can tune the cam timing for good bottom end, and street manners.. then, let it rip at high RPM. It really is the best of both worlds.
Travis
I chuckled at this post. Come on man u know goddam well that a 500 hp ls3 can have the same if not better street manners than this 5.0. Ls guys are running 10's through a six speed, Hell even on a 3.4k stall, Some lower than that. Im not hating on ford not one bit. But lets state the facts here.
1. this is a very mildly built 5.0 every thing is still new to the market they will be faster.
2. There is not a V8 engine on the market now that will out due the price of building a ls anything.
3. The ls platform is older there is alot of R&D out for it.
4. There is no replacement for displacement N/A. A built 346 will carry more tq under the curve than a 5.0 hands down thats law and physics.
So dont take this the wrong way this is Tech not FOX NEWS, State the facts not what u think is right.
02-24-2011, 03:38 PM
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I chuckled at this post. Come on man u know goddam well that a 500 hp ls3 can have the same if not better street manners than this 5.0. Ls guys are running 10's through a six speed, Hell even on a 3.4k stall, Some lower than that. Im not hating on ford not one bit. But lets state the facts here.
1. this is a very mildly built 5.0 every thing is still new to the market they will be faster.
2. There is not a V8 engine on the market now that will out due the price of building a ls anything.
3. The ls platform is older there is alot of R&D out for it.
4. There is no replacement for displacement N/A. A built 346 will carry more tq under the curve than a 5.0 hands down thats law and physics.
So dont take this the wrong way this is Tech not FOX NEWS, State the facts not what u think is right.
1. this is a very mildly built 5.0 every thing is still new to the market they will be faster.
2. There is not a V8 engine on the market now that will out due the price of building a ls anything.
3. The ls platform is older there is alot of R&D out for it.
4. There is no replacement for displacement N/A. A built 346 will carry more tq under the curve than a 5.0 hands down thats law and physics.
So dont take this the wrong way this is Tech not FOX NEWS, State the facts not what u think is right.
this thread just gets better and better
02-24-2011, 03:56 PM
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It Sure does get better and better! Everyday another mustang owner post up on to LS1tech.com to promote the DOHC VVT 5.0l. Then gets argues driveability, Torque, Weight, Peak HP numbers, etc... on why we should look out for the MUSTANG but post very little factual info. Other than a DYNO graph with no SAE correction Factor, compression Ratio Info, Fuel info, or even a FULLY installed Price!
Even worse they get hurt that some of the LSx crowd isnt impressed that you put almost $7K into the car to make 507HP @ 7600rpm and matched the Torque curve of a 4-clydr WRX.
Want to impress us?!? Stick with the 03/04 Cobras! Its the best out of the box chassis and power plant combo youve had in YEARS!!
I guess your own Mustang supporter, TRAV4011 described your 5.0L best!
VTEC YO!!!!
Even worse they get hurt that some of the LSx crowd isnt impressed that you put almost $7K into the car to make 507HP @ 7600rpm and matched the Torque curve of a 4-clydr WRX.
Want to impress us?!? Stick with the 03/04 Cobras! Its the best out of the box chassis and power plant combo youve had in YEARS!!
I guess your own Mustang supporter, TRAV4011 described your 5.0L best!
VTEC YO!!!!
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02-24-2011, 04:03 PM
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You have a 500hp 5.0 in car that weighs 3500lbs.
You have a 500hp LS3 in a car that weighs 3500lbs.
Which one wins? LS3 EVERY time.
Which one is cheaper to build to that level? LS3 every time.
So what motor do you want in your car?
Granted, its pretty cool it made the number it did. And I love high revving engines (Ferrari's engines are pure sex).
Plain and simple, torque wins races and horsepower is for showing off. Its the area under the curve that matters, not the peak. And that's were the LSx's shine. Ford doesn't have that part down quite yet.
You have a 500hp LS3 in a car that weighs 3500lbs.
Which one wins? LS3 EVERY time.
Which one is cheaper to build to that level? LS3 every time.
So what motor do you want in your car?
Granted, its pretty cool it made the number it did. And I love high revving engines (Ferrari's engines are pure sex).
Plain and simple, torque wins races and horsepower is for showing off. Its the area under the curve that matters, not the peak. And that's were the LSx's shine. Ford doesn't have that part down quite yet.
02-24-2011, 04:16 PM
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