1st N/A 2011 Mustang GT in the 9's
11-19-2011, 08:39 PM
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Well I guess seeing isnt believing anymore!
Heres the articles from GM High-Tech on Rob Zona's C5Z06.
9.98 Article:
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...z06/index.html
9.30 article:
http://blogs.gmhightechperformance.c...ted/index.html
Heres the articles from GM High-Tech on Rob Zona's C5Z06.
9.98 Article:
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...z06/index.html
9.30 article:
http://blogs.gmhightechperformance.c...ted/index.html
11-19-2011, 08:47 PM
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The aftermarket embracing the LSx platform is another reason I would prefer to keep my hard earned dollars where I have them. Hell there a ol' skool GEN I SBC that are in 3000lb race trimed cars running high 9's w/ less rear gear @ half the cost! But I guess I look at my cars much like most investors look at property. I want to buy (invest) in something with the potential to be bigger than what is given to me to start with. I.e. (LS3 can be 427+ C.I.) it be like buying a big house, with no garage, on a tiny lot, what do you do when you need more space for your man cave?
On a final note I cant say that I'm not impressed by the "Out of the Box" performance that the 5.0L has. It is about time Ford stepped up to a car capable of 12.9x from the factory without the need for the Blower.
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11-19-2011, 09:06 PM
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BTW the LSx motors run well in fords too!
N/A 345ci LS: His best is High 8's I believe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqSf4...ure=plpp_video
N/A 345ci LS: His best is High 8's I believe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqSf4...ure=plpp_video
11-19-2011, 09:33 PM
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Damn!!! Im trying to bench race here and figure out how a H/C 5.7 Vette runs a 9.98 when the record for a C6Z with a 427 LS7 is what a 10.8xx?? Not saying its not legit but a full second in the 1/4 @ those ET's is huge. Can that 5.7 really be making that much more power than a LS7?
Either way ive always wanted my next ride to be a C6Z, but if youre telling me I can go buy a beat up C5 for maybe 10k, fix it up, throw in a well set up stroker and go run mid 9's NA ill say screw the C6Z!! lol
Either way ive always wanted my next ride to be a C6Z, but if youre telling me I can go buy a beat up C5 for maybe 10k, fix it up, throw in a well set up stroker and go run mid 9's NA ill say screw the C6Z!! lol
Video of the 10.345 run is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJT4tqttTiI
Cammed C6Z is a 9.97 @ 139.9 from 2009, Heres the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB0QJ9k-Nhs
You need to keep in mind not alot of people turn their $70K C6Z06 into a full out drag machine when you can purchase a cheaper C5 and do the exact samething.
Now if your looking for the fastest N/A LS7 pass PERIOD! Found a new LS7 pass as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAciR...ature=youtu.be
EDIT: Looks Like Im Mistaken A NEW bolt-on C6Z record was set today by Gary @ 10.04.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-raci...-137-44-a.html
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11-19-2011, 09:36 PM
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He is here on the forum, in the drag racing section. I believe its a Short Stroke LS7. Like a 4.8L crank or something. He got booted out of the stock bottom end section because he switched to a stock 4.8L LSx crank but still retained the stock LS7 Pistons and Rods. I think he shifts it @ 8700rpm. He is friends with the user billyflantos here on tech. They both run the hell out of LSx motors in Fox bodys
EDIT: his name is DMMizzel on the forum. you can find him in this thread:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/single-di...nly-fox-2.html
EDIT: his name is DMMizzel on the forum. you can find him in this thread:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/single-di...nly-fox-2.html
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11-19-2011, 09:46 PM
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I sure can if you would like. Just showing the facts thats all.
Theres a few BBC that have done very well too. Might be something you can check into. They weigh about as much as a 5.4L DOHC SuperCharged GT500 engine but have a ton more CU.in
Theres a few BBC that have done very well too. Might be something you can check into. They weigh about as much as a 5.4L DOHC SuperCharged GT500 engine but have a ton more CU.in
11-19-2011, 09:54 PM
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Well I guess seeing isnt believing anymore!
Heres the articles from GM High-Tech on Rob Zona's C5Z06.
9.98 Article:
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...z06/index.html
9.30 article:
http://blogs.gmhightechperformance.c...ted/index.html
Heres the articles from GM High-Tech on Rob Zona's C5Z06.
9.98 Article:
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...z06/index.html
9.30 article:
http://blogs.gmhightechperformance.c...ted/index.html
C5 H/C LS6 500ish rwhp= 9.9 1/4 mile
C6Z Stock LS7 450-470 rwhp= 10.8 1/4 mile
Both cars weighing about the same. Just trying to figure out how 30-50rwhp nets almost a full second drop in ET in the 9.9-11.0 range.
11-19-2011, 10:01 PM
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You need to take into consideration that the C6Z has a different geared Trans with as well as 3.42 gears. The C5Z you are watching is a T56 MN12 with 4.10 gears. The MN12 is a very close ratio trans especially 1st - 3rd.
A MN12 w/ 3.42's would be like a MN6 with 3.73 in 1st to 3rd gear.
C5Z's also weigh around 200lbs less than the C6Z. Then start looking @ the 60' times of each car. Last time I checked the corvetteforum they put you into a different class from stock if you were using a Drag Radial on your C6Z.
A MN12 w/ 3.42's would be like a MN6 with 3.73 in 1st to 3rd gear.
C5Z's also weigh around 200lbs less than the C6Z. Then start looking @ the 60' times of each car. Last time I checked the corvetteforum they put you into a different class from stock if you were using a Drag Radial on your C6Z.
11-19-2011, 10:30 PM
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You need to take into consideration that the C6Z has a different geared Trans with as well as 3.42 gears. The C5Z you are watching is a T56 MN12 with 4.10 gears. The MN12 is a very close ratio trans especially 1st - 3rd.
A MN12 w/ 3.42's would be like a MN6 with 3.73 in 1st to 3rd gear.
C5Z's also weigh around 200lbs less than the C6Z. Then start looking @ the 60' times of each car. Last time I checked the corvetteforum they put you into a different class from stock if you were using a Drag Radial on your C6Z.
A MN12 w/ 3.42's would be like a MN6 with 3.73 in 1st to 3rd gear.
C5Z's also weigh around 200lbs less than the C6Z. Then start looking @ the 60' times of each car. Last time I checked the corvetteforum they put you into a different class from stock if you were using a Drag Radial on your C6Z.
Never knew C5Z's were so light!!
11-20-2011, 11:35 PM
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The aftermarket has embraced the beloved Mod motor for as long as the LSx platform has been out. Your trying to make it sound like it is a rotary design vs. a pushrod V8. It seems to me you'd only like to consider the New 5th gen Camaro as the only thing the 5.0 GT can compare to by stating the Mustang is light years ahead of it. But when it comes to building race cars I'll be happy to put an LSx in a Fox Body, Gbody, F body, or whatever I can find light enough and strong enough to hold the power. Then I prefer to build something that can go fast on a budget. As that is the goal the last time I check. If you prefer exotic with expensive parts and still a quick ET I suggest you look @ Ferrari, Buggati, Mosler, etc..
The aftermarket embracing the LSx platform is another reason I would prefer to keep my hard earned dollars where I have them. Hell there a ol' skool GEN I SBC that are in 3000lb race trimed cars running high 9's w/ less rear gear @ half the cost! But I guess I look at my cars much like most investors look at property. I want to buy (invest) in something with the potential to be bigger than what is given to me to start with. I.e. (LS3 can be 427+ C.I.) it be like buying a big house, with no garage, on a tiny lot, what do you do when you need more space for your man cave?
On a final note I cant say that I'm not impressed by the "Out of the Box" performance that the 5.0L has. It is about time Ford stepped up to a car capable of 12.9x from the factory without the need for the Blower.
The aftermarket embracing the LSx platform is another reason I would prefer to keep my hard earned dollars where I have them. Hell there a ol' skool GEN I SBC that are in 3000lb race trimed cars running high 9's w/ less rear gear @ half the cost! But I guess I look at my cars much like most investors look at property. I want to buy (invest) in something with the potential to be bigger than what is given to me to start with. I.e. (LS3 can be 427+ C.I.) it be like buying a big house, with no garage, on a tiny lot, what do you do when you need more space for your man cave?
On a final note I cant say that I'm not impressed by the "Out of the Box" performance that the 5.0L has. It is about time Ford stepped up to a car capable of 12.9x from the factory without the need for the Blower.
By the way, the new 5.0L are going a little faster than 12.9. Stock on stock tires they have gone low 12s. The Camaro has NEVER done that. To have a low 12 sec car (that is extremely easy to get into the 11s and 10s) for $30k brand new is by far the best value as far as new cars go.
11-20-2011, 11:55 PM
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Don't get me wrong. We stuff LSx motors in just about everything here. And my next project will most likely be an LSx mustang. But, the new 5.0L is a different animal to that of the other mod motors. It has been out for a year. Its just annoying to see people compare cars in 2 completely different leagues. Yes a z06 Corvette will beat a stock Mustang GT. No ******* ****. You can get a brand new 5.0l for right around $30k. I'm not saying the Mustang GT is the best and fastest car ever made, but for a brand new car in its price range, it destroys everything IN ITS LEAGUE.
By the way, the new 5.0L are going a little faster than 12.9. Stock on stock tires they have gone low 12s. The Camaro has NEVER done that. To have a low 12 sec car (that is extremely easy to get into the 11s and 10s) for $30k brand new is by far the best value as far as new cars go.
By the way, the new 5.0L are going a little faster than 12.9. Stock on stock tires they have gone low 12s. The Camaro has NEVER done that. To have a low 12 sec car (that is extremely easy to get into the 11s and 10s) for $30k brand new is by far the best value as far as new cars go.
11-21-2011, 06:56 PM
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Don't get me wrong. We stuff LSx motors in just about everything here. And my next project will most likely be an LSx mustang. But, the new 5.0L is a different animal to that of the other mod motors. It has been out for a year. Its just annoying to see people compare cars in 2 completely different leagues. Yes a z06 Corvette will beat a stock Mustang GT. No ******* ****. You can get a brand new 5.0l for right around $30k. I'm not saying the Mustang GT is the best and fastest car ever made, but for a brand new car in its price range, it destroys everything IN ITS LEAGUE.
By the way, the new 5.0L are going a little faster than 12.9. Stock on stock tires they have gone low 12s. The Camaro has NEVER done that. To have a low 12 sec car (that is extremely easy to get into the 11s and 10s) for $30k brand new is by far the best value as far as new cars go.
By the way, the new 5.0L are going a little faster than 12.9. Stock on stock tires they have gone low 12s. The Camaro has NEVER done that. To have a low 12 sec car (that is extremely easy to get into the 11s and 10s) for $30k brand new is by far the best value as far as new cars go.
11-22-2011, 09:17 AM
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Very well put!! The new 5.0L is much like the 03/04 termi's were when they were new. They are still one of the easiest/cheapest cars to get to make 475-500rwhp. All I was getting @ is there alot cheaper ways to achieve 9's and comparing Coyote vs LSx I would find it hard to see anyone say the LSx doesnt have the upper hand in potential. Its got a huge aftermarket making it budget friendly, most ppl with the ability to read and write can modify one themselves, they are capable to be bored and stroked for added Cu.In, they have a great power curve N/A, and there damn near bullet proof!
11-23-2011, 09:48 AM
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It really surprises me how ignorant people in these threads are. Seems like GM owners say everything Ford makes is junk just because they own a GM. Give credit where credit is due. Quit making yourselves look like dumbasses. The new Mustang 5.0 is an awesome car with a BADASS motor. The new mustang is worlds ahead of the new camaro in any performance aspect. Thats FACT.
I like the people who say "blah blah z06 ls7 would beat it" etc.. NO ****. Go look at a base MSRP for a z06 and then go to the Ford dealer and look at a Mustang. You're comparing apples to oranges.
If the mustang was such a junk car, how is it that they have been in production for 47 years straight?
I like the people who say "blah blah z06 ls7 would beat it" etc.. NO ****. Go look at a base MSRP for a z06 and then go to the Ford dealer and look at a Mustang. You're comparing apples to oranges.
If the mustang was such a junk car, how is it that they have been in production for 47 years straight?