I have a 98 Z28 and ran a 12.9 with just an SLP air lid.....So it can be done....

 

i call it bitched out because you didnt back your **** up..

haha.. i dont have nitrous on my car... i dont have heads or a cam either..

i am in the 10s... i wont be buying a pulley till my next build... i will buy injectors when my money is right..
when i get my injectors i will def. free some more up... hopefully i will see a gain, and it will put me deeper in the 10s.. i dont bench race..

i wihs....

this post is a bit off topic.......

 

NO.....here..this is what I said.....


You see the difference? You showed me a post were someone stated what ET's they shaved with certain mods.

And don't try to get all technical. You know DARN well what I meant by gears. Please tell me how it's ok for that to be an example but when you reference lowering ETs by .7 with a 4000 stall.... OBVIOUSLY I WAS referring to someone that had BRAINS in deciding what gears they should choose. You went from a non DD car maximizing bolt ons to a DD as an example with one gear change. This is NOTHING more thant you back bettling AGAIN to try to make yourself look good. ANYONE that knows anything about gearing will tell you ONE step up does NOTHING for ETs, just like ONE STEP up on a stall does nothing.

I apologize for one thing, and that's giving you more credit than you deserve. i would have suspected you would have had half a brain enough to understand a REAL gear change. Not a poor decision.

So...I'll be a bit more obvious since you couldn't read between the lines.....by YOUR statements of a 4000 stall over stock.....(what is in an an LS...2600?), show me a car that did a significant change in gearing LIKE YOUR STALL line of thinking, and DID NOT improve ET's. Example: 3.42s to 4.10s.

Again, I gave you TOO much credit. I asked you a question of what does a stall do....then asked how gears don't affect ETs. Stall increase the gear change in an auto to an upper RPM....IE: THE AUTO UTILIZES THE POWER BAND MORE EFFECTIVELY with a higher sall........GEARING: INCREASE CCELERATION OF THE POWER BEING PUT DOWN.....IE: Utilizes the power band more affectively.

SHEESH....AGAIN, you have proven yourself an ignorant ****.

 

a stock ls1 has i believe a 1900 actually...

+1, they all get you in your power band faster.. so there is no way possible you would not see a gain... it is impossible..

again..

 

::yawn::


well if you guys are just going to just keep doing the same thing...


I've seen videos of Jon running. I don't believe his mods in the slightest, even if his car is a gutted tin can.

As for the other guy, I have not seen videos of him running.

If this is about who is fast, POST up some videos.

 

like i said, i dont tell what my car runs/has/weighs/etc. exactly.... but my raceweight is under 3200lbs..

he is going to have to be packing a LOT more than he says he has if he wants to keep up..

as for vids.. i have no current vids from the track... i will get some mid Feb..

 

The other guy (presumable me) is sticking to what I originally came into this thread for.....which is Jon ignorance. I read the thread and saw a bunch of BS posted, so I put in my two cents....it went from there.

 

Did you back something up? I must have missed that.


This is a nice post.

That car saw no noticeable gain from gear. How is that not what you said? And now we are talking about someone who has brains? Most gear decisions on this board are based off popular vote not actual logic. I've never argued that one wouldn't gain something from dialing in there setup with a set of gears. It's just a waste to do that on a car that will eventually change. ie: a mostly stock car.

Even a shitty stall will be more of a gain than ANY gear swap. They may both get you in the power faster, but gears get out of the power and into the next gear faster as well. There is such a thing as turning up too fast.

Gears have there place, and do work really well in small higher turning peaky motored vehicles. Bikes love gear. An LS1 makes good enough power after a gear change to holds it own with the stock gear. The exception is maybe a 2.73. They may actually gain a bit from a lower gear. Any ET gain from gears would be mostly from the launch, but could also hurt traction. Which could make times worse. So I stick to saying gears not really worth it.

Dude, come on. I'm not a liar. If these other guys call me ignorant and own me in every post, that's one thing. I'm trying to help out the LS community here. If I do that by bragging and talking **** so be it, I'm not lying though.

You really don't even seem to know that much about an LS1? I fell that my points are valid here, maybe not so much in mustang land.

 

Well, I'm not saying you're a liar, just hard to believe.

I looked you up on drag times, and the people slower than your posted time had: a mid size cam, 4k stall, built tranny, longtube headers and full exhaust, gears, tires, all bolt ons.

All I'm saying is that there is definitely something to more to your set up than you're telling everyone. And really, thats fine. Thats how a racer does it, theres always more than meets the eye.

I saw the videos, and really I've love to believe that a partial bolt on car with tires and suspension could scrape into 11s with some weight reduction because it gives me a glimmer of hope of running mid 12s without spending tons of money on mods.

But I know that ALOT of people have tried all sorts of combinations and if everyone could run your times on minor bolt ons, tires, stall, and weight reduction than EVERYONE would do it, and there would be no epic flame war going on right now.

Main point - I think a small cam that likes stock manifolds (like the cheatR or something of the like) would make Jon's setup very believable. Which is cool, because I was thinking of getting something like that myself, so I could run my stock manifolds and giggle at people thinking their racing a near stock car as I blow their doors off.

 

Look at all my other videos. From 13.3 to 11.8. In each video it says what it has at that time. It's all there, it is what I say it is.

I'm telling you bolt on cars can outrun heads and cam cars. It's not always that hard. There are actually alot of heads cam cars that are really slow. People start doing too much and start slowing down. That's why you can't just add mods up to see what you're gonna run.

Hell, look at my MPH. That is a good indication of how much power I'm putting down. Then look at the MPH of the cars with more mods.

Look at the stock internals list. All of those cars are 11.60s or better with only a few more mods than me.

 

Hmmm....

Are you still running the stock 10 bolt?

 

Yes, the stock 10 bolt isn't that bad behind a automatic. I've personally seen some low 1.4s through a stock 10bolt behind a 383 LT1 and I seen one on here in the high 1.3s.

Stock 3.23s I might add.

 

how much weight would you say you've removed?

 

I've probably taken about 180lbs out and around 40lbs off with the skinnies. On the 11.8 pass it was somewhere around 3525, it had about 1/2-3/4 tank of gas. When I first got it, it was 3780 with a full tank and about 40lbs of sub/amp. Both weights inlcude me at 220lbs.

 

thats a pretty good reduction.

I'll give the weight thing a shot when I go to the track this friday.

 

Oh, I just notice that you're a M6. You just need some tires.

 

Yeah. I was thinking of a cutout as well. Maybe some suspension.

 

omg. . . this blew up quick haha!

 

You just continue to prove how much of an IDIOT you are. 'mustang' world?..are you freaking serious? Please tell me how matching tranny gearing to rear gears, to powerband has ANYTHING to do with mustang vs.fbod. WAIT, don't answer that. I'm not really in the mood to hear more ignorant posts from you. I haven't finished my starbucks.
So, you're saying a stock 1900 stall up to a ~2300 stall is better than going from 3.23s to 4.56s?

Do you really not understand what rear gears do? It has everything to do with matching the setup. TRanny to rear to powerband.

Let me ask you this, how many performance cars have you owned? Of those, how many have you done NOTICABLE gear swaps?

 

So your saying that every car responds the same to every mod. You don't know **** about fbodys. How many fbodys have you owned? And of those fbodys how many have you done gear swaps on.

I wouldn't call 2300 a shitty stall I could call it a loose stock stall. 2800 or more will match or better the performance of whatever gear swap on a nearly stock fbody 90% of the time. I'll allow that you may get a freak car and get the perfect gear. And if anybody buy a stall that's less than 2800 (without a specific purpose), then they shouldn't be trying to mod there car.

Yes I know what gears do, I think I've said that. You don't read these posts? Getting your gearing perfect potential will show some gain. Throwing random gears at a car usually does nothing, but make the car feel faster or spin the tires more. Which is usually why people think gears help so much, most people with gears don't even go to the track.

What are you after? You want me to say that gears are the end all of performance mods? What the **** are you still arguing? Gears help sometimes. That's it. Do you recommend gears to everyone in this thread?

You don't want to hear my ignorant posts, but you can't let it go. You say that I think I'm never wrong, but you're the same. The difference is that this is LS1tech, and you don't know **** about LS1s. I've been playing with mine and my friends f-bodys for 10 years. I've seen a few fast ones, and a lot of slow ones. So believe me I've seen what not to do.