taws6

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I know I've beat to death the 'more power' question, but I just want to double check this. I know a stall helps get the car into the cams powerband quicker.
SOMbitch has told me in the past I need a stall before a cam as I'm A4, and I don't doubt it. And thank you for all the guidance you've already given me

Problem I got is, a stall may probably break my transmission, and I really need to avoid that extra expense.
My plans may take a while to compleate, but I know where I'm heading (check sig).
I'm looking for a low end power increase, that will help my acceleration between 20mph - 70mph, (hoping a cam may be my answer).

1. Is the cam stupid without a stall ?
2. Can I pick up some acceleration power with a cam, without a stall?
3. Mabey I'd be better off with 1:85 roller rockers? (The cam install will be a PITA) If the cam will only be a 'bit' better than the rr, I'll avoid the cam install grief

I know a stall would make the cam 10 x better, but I don't want a broken tranny, mabey I'm pissin in the wind considering just a cam.....

Thanks for all the help

david068513

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your car won't run right and will stall out in gear stopped.

therealcreeper

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how many miles are on the car?

from what i remember 4L60E's are only rated to like 360rwhp from GM. of course there's people pushing 450+ out there, but if you're worried about the stall taking it out you may want to think about what the extra power is gonna do.

driving a cammed/stock stall car is going to be pretty annoying too unless you go with a relatively small cam. if you have plans of doing a trans or stall in the future anyway you might just wanna wait so you can go bigger, or use that money towards a transmission or rebuild down the road.

i'm sure with a mild cam it'd be fine, but anything big will get annoying fast

95FbFormula

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The only cam you might be able to pull off would be the z06 cam other then that you will need to get a stall. I am in the same situation I would like a big cam for my set-up but do not have the extra funds for the stall so I cant cam it yet or it would be a waste.

Ironxcross

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Don't put money into things you can't afford to fix or do right. When in doubt, save up money and do it properly, ie: Get the stall, save for a new trans.

Automatics with an aftermarket stall really do well. Putting a cam before that is sort of like not putting your shoes on until you're home from work. Do the stall.

taws6

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Okay thanks guys.
So I guess a small cam (Z06) wouldn't be worth it??
If say, the cams worth 30hp, and the rr worth 10hp, then I'd do the cam, but I'm guessing a mild cam isn't worth 30hp?

I guess I'll play safe and keep to bolt ons and do the 1:85 roller rockers for a tad more lift, easier install too......

Thanks again

Ironxcross

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Yes, stick with that for now. When funds allow.. then do all the other fun stuff (cam, stall, gears, tune, etc)

taws6

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Great replys, many thanks.

taws6

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Still intersted in what the Z06 cam / other mild cam could gain me in rwhp, whilst still using the stock stall??
Thanks for the info....

Kevin01Z28

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I doubt you would get 30 more hp with the z06 cam unless you get a tune along with it. As far as 1.85 rockers they are a waste and you will be probably be pulling them off in the future when you do decide to go with a bigger cam.

taws6

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Thanks for your reply Kevin.
Would a different mild cam get me 30 rwhp, that I can still use with the stock stall?
Oh, and I will be getting a tune

LCplmarine98

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^^^^Yup dont spend 5 or 600 dollars on rockers, when you get a bigger cam you will want to go back to stock ratio. If anything do bolt ons. Use the money you were going to put into a cam and buy your headers, you can get a used set on here cheap. If you keep the cats you wont really need a tune, it would help but you dont need it. That should provide a noticable difference, and get the best power when you stall and cam it.

Kevin01Z28

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Look at thunder racing's cheatR cams.

DANOZ28

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i have the LS6 cam and now wish i went slightly bigger. plenty of sponcors on this board could give you good recommendations w stock stall. when i was looking i called lunati and told them i wanted good street manors with stock stall and they said 221/221 560 lift on 115 lsa. (i should have listened!) the board will probably say 224/224 565 lift on 114 lsa. thats probably max to have a civilized idle for stock stall. goodluck cheers! ps always upgrade your springs for a bigger cam

SOMbitch

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A stall done right won't hurt your tranny. Put a 25-30lb. cooler and and shift kit in it and you will be fine unless you already have a problem. I have 92k on a stock internal tranny right now. 42k of that with a stall.

My best advice to you is make sure to get a QUALITY stall

I hope I didn't just jinx myself I am taking off on a 1200 mile trip tomorrow

JonCR96Z

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No, that's a stupid idea. The roller rockers aren't worth a ****. They offer little gain and cost as much as a cam.

Save that money and put it towards a good stall or just get a good nitrous kit be done.

gc302047

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ive heard a gm hot cam would work without a stall. its basically a ls6 cam with 112 lsa

TWS

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If you cannot do the the cam and stall at the same time, I would do the stall first. It will not automatically break your tranny. That is a silly notion. It might wear out your rear tires faster, however.

Heat is the enemy of automatic trannies. When you do the torque converter install be sure to also install a good tranny cooler. You might also look into a finned aluminum pan like a TCI. Their pan for 4L60E sheds heat quicker than a stock pan and it carries an added 2 qt. capacity which also makes your tranny fluid more resistent to heating up.

My 4L60E in the track car with a 3600 stall runs no hotter than stock due to a good cooler and TCI pan.

taws6

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I recently posted a poll, 'will the 4l60e take a stall?', and 40% think a stall will kill my tranny, or possably will. 60% say I'll be fine with stock tranny. NOT great % if you ask me.....
A stall sounds great, but I don't want to keep dumping $$ into my car (too many other expenses), and I know I could save for longer, but rebuilding my tranny is a expense I don't want to have to risk.


Okay, I had a look at the cheatr cam, but it looks more like a cam for stock mainfolds and n20.....

I don't fully understand cam terminoligy (it's huge), but this sounds like a good recommendation, and I'll look more into it. When it's time for a cam I'll ask the site sponsers for advise too....

Agreed, not the best option, but I'm only considering it if a cam is out of the question, and they've got to be worth 10-15 hp....

I'll look into the gm hot cam also.
After looking around on here, there are a few people running cams on stock stall.

It is more a question of what I'm prepared to spend, than what can I afford....., you can see my planned budget, and probably up to an extra $1000 on top of my planed mods

So what sort of gains could I hope for from a cam that is designed for a stock stall?????
Would 224/224 565 lift on 114 lsa still be civilized idle for stock stall?

1200 miles sounds like a great road trip SOMbitch

Thanks for taking the time to help

superchargedgp

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my 224/228 112lsa on stock stall with a great tune, drives great in Chicago traffic