Silver Z28's = the slowness. Lookout for the NBM cars this year

 

We shall see!

 

Brian,
Sorry I am just now making my way to the board. I am going to post the same thing I told you over the phone right here for Scott and others to read.

Coming on the board and asking the questions with the hopes of getting useful information to create a class to make everyone happy is going to be impossible to do. The problem is everyone wants the rules built around there cars to benifit them. The truth is a real racer will be willing to make small adjustments to make it to the race if they are serious about attending. When I say small changes I mean tire or gear changes etc.

In this post you asked for simple times and look at the results you got for 8 second cars. The problem is you are going to get a bunch of should have, could have, and should be results. The other problem is that alot of people that post there times have only went that time once or twice before breaking. That is nothing more than a contest of who has the most money to make 1 or 2 passes. The possibility that those one time pass having cars will be broke come the time of the race is very likely.

I can personally tell you I talk to well over 90 percent of the seriously fast nitrous cars in this LS based market. There are not alot of consistly running 8 second cars. And not alot of serious hard core going to do whatever I have to be racing every weekend 8 second cars.

Knowing the focus is on creating ONE nitrous specific class that you can FILL with racers that will actually show up is the main goal. I would recommend a 9.0 to 10.0 index. I would keep the rules simple for tech reasons. Run what you brung.. Any size tire, no wheelie bars, and maybe a weight restriction for certain size engines. This way as long as the car can pass safety requirements making this race will not be expensive changing up the car for one race.

The 9.0 cap will make the big guys either slow there car down so that the majority of the other guys can compete. If they want to go ***** out they need to move up and play with the big boys. Unfortintly there are just not enough 8 second nitrous cars that stay running to show up and fill this class. If they slow the car down and can consistintly run 9.1-9.3 they have the ability of bringing home the trophy. The slower guys have the ability to run there cars ***** out and compete. It will come down to driver and how well the crew can dial there car in.

I know some people are thinking... God a 9.0 cap is gay and I built my car to go as fast as I can... Before you say it NO this is not a bracket race, this is an attempt to put together a class that is cost affective to host and give the nitrous guys a chance to tell the NMCA crew we are here and we want a chance to prove we are not dead. Putting together Nitrous Specific classes will grow with time and as the classes grow hopefully we can have BIG boy classes seperate from the BIG HP making turbo cars.. Up until this time NMCA was not even interested in creating a nitrous class to give us an oportunity.. Now here is the chance. DONT BLOW IT.

Please keep in mind this is an oportunity to not even have a specific nitrous class but a time for us to all get together and enjoy meeting each other and have a good time. Last years event was one of the best times I had all year and putting faces with people I talk to all the time was a great oportuntity.. I can not wait to do it again.

Just my 2 cents...

Scott I am willing to help you in any way. I have already said I will put some of my money where my mouth is to sweetin the pot. Call me.

Dave

 

Took the words right out of my mouth.

My question is why not just run the 9.0 or 10.0 regular index class?
If its not truly heads up then I wont be there thats for sure.

You have a whole lot of what ifs in that post about 8 second N20 cars.
Well if they can only make 1 or 2 passes then the 9 second cars have no worries and we can let everyone run all out.

 

Yeah good luck with an indx class thats for sure. no bracket racing for us.

 

Guys I understand your stand point but if I were looking at it from NMCA stand points my main concern would be filling the class. The only way to fill the class is to find the middle area to get as many cars in the field as possible. There are simply not enough 8 second cars to fill a 16 car field. The fast Nitrous cars dont want to be put in the big boy class with the turbo cars so they say they will not show. Well the same thing is going to happen with the mid 9 second cars if they are put in a heads up class against a 8 second car.. No one is going to be happy and No one is going to show up.

There is no way to make everyone happy. I think we can all aggree on that one.

I am alittle confused by what you are saying you want. I may be using the wrong terminology. When I say a 9.0 cap I am saying if you go any faster than a 9.0 you are out.

You are saying you would like to have a regular 9.0 to 10.0 index class. Ok so what if you register your 8 second car in that class and run 8.70 the intire day? You should be racing a 8 second field and not a 9 second field.
I may be missing something?
Dave

 

ATV,
LOL I aggree about the whole lot of what ifs but you have been in racing long enough to know where I am coming from with that one. Nothing against anyone here but to build a 8 second class around a very narrow known field of Currenty running 8 second cars would probably back fire. The what ifs play in big factors. In every field there are alot of what if racers but when you have a very narrow target field one or two what ifs have a larger affect on the turn out than in a field with a bigger potintial racer base.

Dave

 

Dave that is very good input. From what I am seeing and hearing, NMCA is pretty dead-set against and index or a cap. I tell my heads-up friends every race is an index. The differences are some call it an index and put up a number like 9.0 and that is the first rule and others go through countless iterations of rules and try to find various combinations that run a certain ET or ET target. The sad thing is people will be unhappy with both. Some say I won't race index cause it is bracket and others say I won't race your class cause I don't fit the rules even though the ET target is the same. LOL.

Anyway I thought what we were trying to accomplish was finding the fast LSX combinations. It was found that the nitrous cars could not keep up with the turbo cars so a nitrous class was suggested.

it seems now we have lost focus and the driver is for a nitrous class not the fastest nitrous class. If we are looking for the bulk of cars in an ET range, then more power for the 10 second range class. I will order a bottle the day that class is picked

 

Only thing I have to add is that most times the faster the cars you are trying to get to show up the more serious and dedicated the racers are.

How many guys with 10 second cars are willing to travel 16hrs one way and 3-4 nights in a hotel then 16hrs home?

Good luck to Scott and the NMCA on making the rules.

 

Im in for sure I live 4 hrs away in missouri. Im running mid to high 9s

 

We get what your saying but a 9.0 index is no change they already have an index class and a big dr class. either they make a nitrous class or they don't your vote is no class.

 

Ok I see what your saying and understand. Yes the reason for a nitrous class was a heads up class ***** out. I get that. But from what I have been told they want a 12-16 car field. There is no way they will get a 12-16 car field in a 8.0 index.

Dont get me wrong. I would rather see a heads up run what you brung class. But if they cant get a full playing field its not going to happen. With that being said they asked where would the full playing field be.

Thats why I said a 9.0 to 10.0 class.

Dave

 

The poll says there are 15 8 second cars currently making 8 second passes. I would like to see a list of LS based cars that are currently running 8s. Can anyone share this list with me?

If we can get 16 pre registries paid for and signed up then the possibility of having a 8 second class is much greater.

Dave

 

I'll pre register as soon as I see the rules.

You should not put a cap on the ET.
Set the rules up so it will be hard for someone to go faster than 9.0 and if they do oh well but you cant just say if you go faster than 9.0 your out.

All the classes in the NMCA have ET ranges they want them to stay in so they modify the rules every year to try and keep the ranges where they want them. they dont cap it and say if you go faster your out.

Want a 9-10 second class here ya go....

Single stage only (no direct ports) 1 fuel noid, 1 N20 noid.
No progressive controllers
346-399 ....3100lbs.
400-454.....3300lbs.

Have fun

 

Ok now we are getting some where.

Keep in mind the class needs to be tech friendly.

I would limit the class to a certain size jet. Directports ok. Single stage, No Progressive

A true 10.5 tire

No ***** bars

And weight requirement break downs according to motor size.

What do you think.. This would give the 9.0 cars a chance to compete and MAYBE make everyone happy?

Dave

 

Im not sure what certain people arent getting about that. Set the rules up for the class to run in a certain range. As the class builds year after year you start altering the rules to make it faster. Add progressives, add Direct ports, reduce weight limitations. How in Gods name did we end up talking about a 9.0 nitrous only Index class.

 

I posted that after talking with Mad Man.. The questions were simple.. They are looking to have a full class and want to know what index range the class needed to be set up as to have a full playing field. What is so hard to understand about that? I may be taking my conversations with madman and adding alittle to the original post of this thread. I am not sure.

Dave

 

Limiting jet size would suck to tech.
28x10 slick or 275 drag radial
No bars is a given
have to have weight breaks for motor size.

I wouldnt come and race with those rules but they are not trying to make the race for 1 car. So make the rules see who shows up.

 

You are right about the jet size not being tech friendly. Limiting to one stage and no progresive should rule that part out anyways or atleast make it harder on the larger shots.

Dave

 

If the weights were set up to be progressive with the CI, and there's a limit on the # of kits/jet I think you probably can limit the class to a low 9 high 8 second speed without too much of a problem.

It would certainly be alot easier to build/tune to, with limited jet/weight/CI but no actualy cap.

Wanna run a strut front end? Add X to the base weight Require stock rear suspension, limit it to a max of 30x10.5 tire, or a 295 drag radial, and I think you have something, it would pretty much allow every nitrous car I know of a decent shot at doing well. Just a matter of what you want to limit people to as far as a jet size.

I'd vote for 32 or 34 for a fogger somewhere in that range. Not sure what the equivalant plate jetting is for that, depends on if it's a single or dual jetted plate. That's enough to get cars moving pretty damn good, but not so much that you can't use it all right out of the hole and it's not so much that every guy out there is gonna be burning stuff down like crazy, you can go rounds at that power level. Base n/a HP will be a bigger factor, but not to the point that I think it will ruin the class.