The easiest way to set your times and fill the field will be a small tire/heavy car class. Takes alot of the BS out of it. On the small tire, guys with less HP will feel OK because we all know **** happens when trying to push a ton of power to a 275.

Just follow the KISS method. 1 kit w/ progressive or 2 kits no progressive, 275, and make it a heavy class with substantial weight breaks for CI--and only CI.

 

I like this the best... This would fit more of what is needed to get the biggest competitive playing field.
Dave

 

I'm in.

 

Lol Jeremy... the 275 class was Jeremy's idea since day one and i give credit where credit is due. He has great ideas for setting up the class rules and i hope, NMCA and Madman can keep working with him on them. I know the rules won't be as simple as this, but i think its a great starting point to get a FULL field

 

You guys are going in the right direction in terms of defining what we and the folks at GMPP are looking for. We all love the idea of a *****-to-the-wall, run what 'ya brung class with 32 cars, hell 16, uhm... 12 okay? Would we'd settle for ten? Uh... no.

We don't want to worry about car counts based on internet banter and we won't. I am certainly not an authority on who runs what in the ls world, in fact I know squat. But I can read, and from what I read, putting together an 8-second style class is setting up for failure. We can't fail at this, not now.

The discussion I am seeing above has finally gotten down to brass tacks instead of theory which really helps us get an idea of what's happening out there. I can't say what direction we are going to take at this point, but (and I forget who pointed it out) the idea has been and will be to create a heads-up class. Making it wide open will obviously be the easiest way to tech, but I agree it has the most probability of seeing fewer cars than if we set something up to cater to those who can run 9's consistently.

As also mentioned here, the idea of an e.t. cap doesn't fit into the spirit of heads-up racing. I think we can come up with a simple set of rules which will keep the bulk of the cars in the e.t. range where most of the participants are in terms of performance.

Oh yeah, regardless of what we do, we'll **** some people off, but that is how the rules process works when a group may end up excluded.

Dave: I left you a message on your cell.
Wayne: if we leave you out... you can come and park cars.. okay?????
Redgar: Isn't it time to you begin asking all of your questions? I mean the race is only 8-months away right? LOL.
Madman: Love you man, I owe you a Bud Lite. (them fight'n words?)
Robin Lawrence: Where are you?

 

You buy the plane ticket and its a deal.
















Maybe.

 

If the rules do end up being something that puts the # in the mid to low 9's I think that will be your best bet for a full field like you're looking to do. There is alot of cars running in that range, and there's a TON of guys in teh low 10 seconde range that can/will try to step up to the plate as well I think.

8 second class, maybe even a couple cars that might touch the magical 7.xx pass, that would be awesome to watch, but there's just not enough people that are there yet to fill a field, as unfortunate as it is.

Maybe after the actual race is over (weather and time permitting) put it out a prize for the fastest nitrous pass, and see what people can do after the race is over, if they want. Get a piston company to offer up a set of pistons @ material cost to the car that can make the fastest pass LOL, as they're gonna need a set afterwards


Just get the rules figured out and post them up ASAP, so that way people can get to work!

 

It will be hard to make the rules around the 9.5 cars on this board, most of them are street/race cars. To give them the rules they need to run 9.5 will open them up enough for guys with pure racecars to go a good bit faster than that.

JMO

 

Popa Scott, I have no questions. What I do have is a credit card ready to buy a bottle if the class you pick stays out of the 9's and in double digits. That being said, if you are happy, I am happy.

 

If we slow down the 8 second cars i think we'll end up with more then 16 low 9 second cars. Somewhere in the range of 9.0-9.3 to win rounds. Proabably take high 8s to win...

 

I wanna see how you plan to slow them down yet still give the guys that run low 9's what they need.
Gonna be a very fine line.

They would be better off shooting for low 10's - high 9's.

 

That would pretty much gurantee the low 8 sec cars a event win. Most of the mid low 8 sec cars will run in the bottom 10's on motor alone. plug all the fogger crap and just plum in a cheap nos plate with a 50-100 shot and win every round and not even push the motor.

A local guy goes 10.0X @ 135mph on motor and 8.04 on the bottle consistently on a 275 radial. it's a SBF but only making 700hp at the crank on motor

Wasn't it tuff who went 9.9X on motor with his nitrous tuneup and converter?

 

You are right, it isnt going to be easy, it will take some fine detailing of the rules. I know 383's can still get into the mid 8's so weight breaks are only going to go so far. i think it will take a single stage, not progressed to get there as well.

 

A single, non progressed stage will help a little but I don't think it would be enough. I have ran 9.5's on a single non progressed shot with stock cubes so I know some of the 4xx cube guys can run mid 8's pretty easy like that.

I think one of the only ways to even it up would be to give the smaller CI guys some SERIOUS weight breaks, that still wouldn't be enough but it's somewhere to start.

 

How many of those mid to low 9 sec cars are goign to come in with a 2800lb car? you cant make a 400ci+ guy weigh 3500lbs so the small cube guys weigh 3100-3200lbs even then many wont make the min weight.

 

Why not? My car with me in is is around 31-3200lbs. I know I'm not the only car planning on running that has some serious weight reduction am I? It takes ALOT of juice to get a stock cube nitrous car to go mid 9's or faster. If they limit the size of the shot or number of stages on all the cars then it will be nearly impossible for a small CI guy to go many rounds. I know that they can't please everyone, I'm just trying to think of ways to even the field.
Tires will play a big role in it as will weight breaks, and penalty's for multiple stages if they go that route.
I know it would be different but what if the guys running big cubes (400+) were limited to a single stage and the smaller cube guys had their choice, either 2 stages non progressed or 1 progressed stage? Would that be too unfair to the big cube guys? I'm just throwing out options....

 

NO matter what, there's gonna be guys that don't fit.

ATV I don't think that it would be possible or pratical to limit it to a mid 9 second car, I think it's gonna have to be a low 9, maybe high 8 second car for guys that caen get it done and are willing to take some risks with the tuneup to get a win.

I just hope that Ken gets thier car together, and if not, I hope they take me up on the offer to take mine. Either way, I'm gonna try to get down tehre, even if it's just to help them and hang out. I doubt they'd bring 2 cars, but if they want to, they have one at their disposal.

 

Why not?
If they want a 10.5 - 9.5 ET range there are many ways they can do it.
Weight
stage limits
Jet limits
tire limits

Single stage only (no direct ports) 1 fuel noid, 1 N20 noid.
No progressive controllers
N20 jet limited to 62 jet.
346-365 ....3100lbs.
366-454.....3400lbs.
No wheelie bars
28x10 slick (no W's) or 275 Drag radial

If thats not enough to slow them down I have a few more Ideas.

 

At that weight/jet I'd have to slow my junk down, and it's already slow.

 

Since you already been 9.5 with that jet your one of the guys they need to slow down a little.