can i make nitrogen work?
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Staging Lane
Joined: Aug 2009
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From: Grafenwöhr, Germany
can i make nitrogen work? hey i have a 2002 trans am, but have a nitrogen bottle from paintball i million years ago that holds 5500 psi safely and maxes at 9000. could i just buy a wet spray kit in my throttle body and call it a day? im super new to nitros anything and how cheap can i get the parts. i struggle to make rent meet so the money is not here...
Nitrous is more that just slapping a kit on a car. It should be planned and though out.
You really need to save the money....no matter how long it takes and buy a kit from a sponsor here. Either Nitrous Outlet or Harris Speed Works can sell you a kit that is properly jetted and will be safe for your car. Try to skimp on something like what you are talking about can leave you with out a car to drive.
Just a little advice I think is worth taking
You really need to save the money....no matter how long it takes and buy a kit from a sponsor here. Either Nitrous Outlet or Harris Speed Works can sell you a kit that is properly jetted and will be safe for your car. Try to skimp on something like what you are talking about can leave you with out a car to drive.
Just a little advice I think is worth taking
If you are that tight on money racing can't come often and nitrous costs $25-$50 to fill a bottle and they only last 3-7 runs depending on how big a shot and if you are running 1/4 mile or longer on the street. Nitrous is good cheap power but nothing to skimp and try to cut corners. No one will fill your nitrogen bottle I am sure.
Save up the money of scratch the idea of nitrous.
Save up the money of scratch the idea of nitrous.
Im not sure if using a nitrogen tank is possible, but def dont try it. I dont have nitrous experience yet, my car is about to get a kit, but i do have many many years of paintball experience (started at 10 yo in 95).
First off, a nitrous tank is much closer to a co2 tank than an extremely high pressure nitrogen tank. Your 68 ci bottle is likely around a 2 lb bottle where most people run 10-15 lb nitrous tanks.
Seccond, like CO2, nitrous oxide is predominately liquid in the tank. Nitrogen is purely compressed air, which is why the bottles are routinely rated for 4500-5000 psi and are the fiber wrapped style. The nitrous tank will almost never see more than 1200 psi or so, which is why most are just steel tanks. So it would be an overly small bottle with an overly high psi rating.
The nitrous being liquid also requires a siphon tube in the bottle, to draw the liquid off the bottom of the bottle. Unlike co2, that you may be familiar with, using an anit-siphon tube to draw gasseous co2 off the top of the liquid.
The thing that may be possible, and I might try it (after my system is properly working and tuned, and it gets cold again), is using the nitrogen tank you/I already have to make a cheaper nitrogen assisted nitrous set up. The part im worried about is most preset nitrogen tanks have around 850 psi output, and it seems you'd need about 1050 psi output to actually have a working home made "NANO" setup..
Sorry for the length, hope this helps...
First off, a nitrous tank is much closer to a co2 tank than an extremely high pressure nitrogen tank. Your 68 ci bottle is likely around a 2 lb bottle where most people run 10-15 lb nitrous tanks.
Seccond, like CO2, nitrous oxide is predominately liquid in the tank. Nitrogen is purely compressed air, which is why the bottles are routinely rated for 4500-5000 psi and are the fiber wrapped style. The nitrous tank will almost never see more than 1200 psi or so, which is why most are just steel tanks. So it would be an overly small bottle with an overly high psi rating.
The nitrous being liquid also requires a siphon tube in the bottle, to draw the liquid off the bottom of the bottle. Unlike co2, that you may be familiar with, using an anit-siphon tube to draw gasseous co2 off the top of the liquid.
The thing that may be possible, and I might try it (after my system is properly working and tuned, and it gets cold again), is using the nitrogen tank you/I already have to make a cheaper nitrogen assisted nitrous set up. The part im worried about is most preset nitrogen tanks have around 850 psi output, and it seems you'd need about 1050 psi output to actually have a working home made "NANO" setup..
Sorry for the length, hope this helps...
hey i have a 2002 trans am, but have a nitrogen bottle from paintball i million years ago that holds 5500 psi safely and maxes at 9000. could i just buy a wet spray kit in my throttle body and call it a day? im super new to nitros anything and how cheap can i get the parts. i struggle to make rent meet so the money is not here...
I think you need to do A LOT more research on running Nitrous Oxide on your vehicle before you decide to start bolting parts on. Compressed Air/Nitrogen will not have the same affect as Nitrous Oxide when it hits the intake tract of your vehicle.
You need a basic understanding of how it works before you can even start to think about putting your car on the bottle.
Nitrous Express FAQ:
http://www.nitrousexpress.com./Pages/faq.htm
Nitrous 101:
http://www.southsidestreetcars.org/s...ex.php?page=35
Choosing the right Nitrous Product:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/8499318-post9.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/8499366-post10.html
Besides all of that above..
(personal soapbox)
Maybe work out a budget and get your priorities straight before wanting to take rent money and spend it on car parts?
(/personal soapbox)
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 74
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From: Grafenwöhr, Germany
Nitrous is more that just slapping a kit on a car. It should be planned and though out.
You really need to save the money....no matter how long it takes and buy a kit from a sponsor here. Either Nitrous Outlet or Harris Speed Works can sell you a kit that is properly jetted and will be safe for your car. Try to skimp on something like what you are talking about can leave you with out a car to drive.
Just a little advice I think is worth taking
You really need to save the money....no matter how long it takes and buy a kit from a sponsor here. Either Nitrous Outlet or Harris Speed Works can sell you a kit that is properly jetted and will be safe for your car. Try to skimp on something like what you are talking about can leave you with out a car to drive.
Just a little advice I think is worth taking
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 74
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From: Grafenwöhr, Germany
Im not sure if using a nitrogen tank is possible, but def dont try it. I dont have nitrous experience yet, my car is about to get a kit, but i do have many many years of paintball experience (started at 10 yo in 95).
First off, a nitrous tank is much closer to a co2 tank than an extremely high pressure nitrogen tank. Your 68 ci bottle is likely around a 2 lb bottle where most people run 10-15 lb nitrous tanks.
Seccond, like CO2, nitrous oxide is predominately liquid in the tank. Nitrogen is purely compressed air, which is why the bottles are routinely rated for 4500-5000 psi and are the fiber wrapped style. The nitrous tank will almost never see more than 1200 psi or so, which is why most are just steel tanks. So it would be an overly small bottle with an overly high psi rating.
The nitrous being liquid also requires a siphon tube in the bottle, to draw the liquid off the bottom of the bottle. Unlike co2, that you may be familiar with, using an anit-siphon tube to draw gasseous co2 off the top of the liquid.
The thing that may be possible, and I might try it (after my system is properly working and tuned, and it gets cold again), is using the nitrogen tank you/I already have to make a cheaper nitrogen assisted nitrous set up. The part im worried about is most preset nitrogen tanks have around 850 psi output, and it seems you'd need about 1050 psi output to actually have a working home made "NANO" setup..
Sorry for the length, hope this helps...
First off, a nitrous tank is much closer to a co2 tank than an extremely high pressure nitrogen tank. Your 68 ci bottle is likely around a 2 lb bottle where most people run 10-15 lb nitrous tanks.
Seccond, like CO2, nitrous oxide is predominately liquid in the tank. Nitrogen is purely compressed air, which is why the bottles are routinely rated for 4500-5000 psi and are the fiber wrapped style. The nitrous tank will almost never see more than 1200 psi or so, which is why most are just steel tanks. So it would be an overly small bottle with an overly high psi rating.
The nitrous being liquid also requires a siphon tube in the bottle, to draw the liquid off the bottom of the bottle. Unlike co2, that you may be familiar with, using an anit-siphon tube to draw gasseous co2 off the top of the liquid.
The thing that may be possible, and I might try it (after my system is properly working and tuned, and it gets cold again), is using the nitrogen tank you/I already have to make a cheaper nitrogen assisted nitrous set up. The part im worried about is most preset nitrogen tanks have around 850 psi output, and it seems you'd need about 1050 psi output to actually have a working home made "NANO" setup..
Sorry for the length, hope this helps...
im tryin to use what i got to be better lol
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Launching!
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If you had a intercooler, you could spray the nitrogen on that.... to give you a cool charge...
Other then that, I dont know.
liquid nitrogen does not have the oxygen content of nos.
Nos = n20, ie, one nitrogen to 2 oxygen. The oxygen breaks off when the nos gets hot enough.
If you just directly tried to inject it like nos.... the only benefit would be a colder intake charge.... but, i dont think the nitrogen would benefit the engine, i think instead, the nitrogen would take up space where oxygen or gas could be and hinder combustion.
But, this is all opinion with little referance to facts...
Other then that, I dont know.
liquid nitrogen does not have the oxygen content of nos.
Nos = n20, ie, one nitrogen to 2 oxygen. The oxygen breaks off when the nos gets hot enough.
If you just directly tried to inject it like nos.... the only benefit would be a colder intake charge.... but, i dont think the nitrogen would benefit the engine, i think instead, the nitrogen would take up space where oxygen or gas could be and hinder combustion.
But, this is all opinion with little referance to facts...
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Verdad Gallardo If you had a intercooler, you could spray the nitrogen on that.... to give you a cool charge...
Other then that, I dont know.
liquid nitrogen does not have the oxygen content of nos.
Nos = n20, ie, one nitrogen to 2 oxygen. The oxygen breaks off when the nos gets hot enough.
If you just directly tried to inject it like nos.... the only benefit would be a colder intake charge.... but, i dont think the nitrogen would benefit the engine, i think instead, the nitrogen would take up space where oxygen or gas could be and hinder combustion.
But, this is all opinion with little referance to facts...
Other then that, I dont know.
liquid nitrogen does not have the oxygen content of nos.
Nos = n20, ie, one nitrogen to 2 oxygen. The oxygen breaks off when the nos gets hot enough.
If you just directly tried to inject it like nos.... the only benefit would be a colder intake charge.... but, i dont think the nitrogen would benefit the engine, i think instead, the nitrogen would take up space where oxygen or gas could be and hinder combustion.
But, this is all opinion with little referance to facts...
"Spraying" the compressed air into the intake tract won't do much of anything.
TECH Resident
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From: Elizabeth City NC
The smaller bottles like you explained is what are used on motorcycles for nitrous applications. If the bottle is stamped CO2 on the neck then it will work just fine for a nitrous application. You will need to purchase a high flow valve with siphon tube tho and those are about 70$.
Like posted before cheaply setting up a nitrous kit is the first big no no with Nitrous. Plus the paintball tanks are usually 10oz to 2.5lb. When I ran a 40 dry shot on my old motorcycle with a 1.25lb bottle I got about 5-9 runs (5-8 second burst) out of it. So if you want to use this with say a 100shot you will probally get 2 1/4 mile runs if that out of the bottle.
Like posted before cheaply setting up a nitrous kit is the first big no no with Nitrous. Plus the paintball tanks are usually 10oz to 2.5lb. When I ran a 40 dry shot on my old motorcycle with a 1.25lb bottle I got about 5-9 runs (5-8 second burst) out of it. So if you want to use this with say a 100shot you will probally get 2 1/4 mile runs if that out of the bottle.
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I would definitly NOT do that. We have some budget systems. Im glad to help get you into a nitrous kit as cheap as possible but this is something that needs to be done right. I would rather see you without a kit then with a rigged kit and 6 pistons. I will help anyway you need it. Give me a call and will work something out.
